HC Deb 11 December 1935 vol 307 cc915-9
Mr. ATTLEE

May I ask the Prime Minister whether he intends to keep the House sitting very late in the event of the Motion for the Suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule being carried?

The PRIME MINISTER

I hope not. I never like to move the suspension of the Eleven o'Clock Rule on a private Members' night, but the circumstances in this case are rather peculiar. I may explain that we consider it essential to get the Bill in connection with railway expenditure. We had hoped to get the Committee stage of the Financial Resolution last night. As the House is aware, in the case of any Bill which is based on a Financial Resolution, each separate stage must be taken on a separate day. If this Bill is to become law before we separate for Christmas, it must leave this House by next Tuesday, so that it may be dealt with in another place. Therefore, we have no time to spare. I must ask the House to suspend the Eleven o'Clock Rule to-night for the sole purpose of getting the Committee stage of that Resolution. We propose to put the Report stage down as first Order to-morrow, so that the Bill can be in the Vote Office to-morrow evening. We shall adhere, I hope, to the original arrangement of having the Second Reading of the Bill on Friday.

Mr. BUCHANAN

If the Prime Minister intends to take the Report stage of this Resolution as the first Order tomorrow, then necessarily there must be discussion on this issue to-morrow, because it will not be possible to debate it at any length to-night. In that case, how will he fit it in with the rest of the programme for to-morrow, particularly in relation to the Money Resolution concerning grants to local authorities in connection with transitional payments?

The PRIME MINISTER

It is impossible always, as the hon. Member knows from his experience, to answer a hypothetical question of that kind. As I explained in the last Parliament, I am always of a sanguine nature and I hope that the anticipations to which the hon. Member has given expression may not be realised. I hope that the further business may not be unduly prolonged. In other words, we must wait and see.

Mr. MAXTON

Would the right hon. Gentleman consider bringing forward the Resolution about unemployment grants in the programme of business for to-morrow, so that it could be considered early, leaving routine matters like the Expiring Laws Continuance Bill to take their chance later on?

The PRIME MINISTER

The hon. Member must remember that we have to get the Expiring Laws Continuance Bill. We have no option in the matter. It must be passed by a certain date. With regard to the other Bill, the Government consider that it is essential because there are many things hanging on to it. There is the question of the details that will have to be pursued afterwards in raising the money and getting on with the work, which means providing employment. We think therefore that it should not be delayed. We shall make as much progress as we find we can make and I do not think it will be as difficult as the hon. Member opposite seems to feel at the moment.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings in Committee on Railways (Agreement) [Money] be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the

provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[The Prime Minister.]

The House divided: Ayes, 213; Noes, 120.

Division No. 5.] AYES. [3.49 p.m.
Acland, Rt. Hon. Sir F. Dyke Eckersley, P. T. Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. W. G.
Acland, R. T. D. (Barnstaple) Edge, Sir W. Orr-Ewing, I. L.
Adams, S. V. T. (Leeds, W.) Ellis, Sir G. Owen, Major G.
Agnew, Lieut.-Comdr. P. G. Elliston, G. S. Palmer, G. E. H.
Albery, I. J. Elmley, Viscount Patrick, C. M.
Allen, Lt.-Col. J. Sandeman (B'kn'hd) Emmott, C. E. G. C. Peake, O.
Apsley, Lord Emrys-Evans, P. V. Peat, C. U.
Aske, Sir R. W. Evans, E. (Univ. of Wales) Percy, Rt. Hon. Lord E.
Assheton, R. Fremantle, Sir F. E. Peters, Dr. S. J.
Astor, Hon. W. W. (Fulham, E.) Ganzoni, Sir J. Petherick, M.
Atholl, Duchess of Gilmour, Lt.-Col, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Plugge, L. F.
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley Gledhill, G. Porritt, R. W.
Baldwin-Webb, Col. J. Goodman, Col. A. W. Proctor, Major H. A.
Balniel, Lord Graham Captain A. C. (Wirral) Purbrick, R.
Barclay-Harvey, C. M. Granville, E. L. Ramsden, Sir E.
Beauchamp, Sir B. C. Grattan-Doyle, Sir N. Rankin, R.
Beaumont, M. W. (Aylesbury) Guest, Hon. I. (Brecon and Radnor) Rathbone, Eleanor (English Univ's.)
Beaumont, Hon. R. E. B. (Portsm'h) Guinness, T. L. E. B. Rathbone, J. R. (Bodmin)
Bernays, R. H. Gunston, Capt. D. W. Rayner, Major R. H.
Birchall, Sir J. D. Guy, J. C. M. Reed, A. C. (Exeter)
Blair, Sir R. Hacking, Rt. Hon. D. H. Reid, D. D. (Down)
Blindell, J. Hannah, I. C. Reid, W. Allan (Derby)
Boulton, W. W. Harris, Sir P. A. Remer, J. R.
Bower, Comdr. R. T. Hartington, Marquess of Rickards, G. W. (Skipton)
Briscoe, Capt. R. G. Harvey, G. Roberts, W. (Cumberland, N.)
Brocklebank, C. E. R. Haslam, Sir J. (Bolton) Ropner, Colonel L.
Brown, Col. D. C. (Hexham) Heilgers, Captain F. F. A. Ross Taylor, W. (Woodbridge)
Brown, Rt. Hon. E. (Leith) Hepburn, P. G. T. Buchan- Rothschild, J. A. de
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Newbury) Hepworth, J. Ruggles-Brise, Colonel Sir E. A.
Browne, A. C. (Belfast, W.) Herbert, Major J. A. (Monmouth) Russell, A. West (Tynemouth)
Burgin, Dr. E. L. Hills, Major Rt. Hon. J. W. (Ripon) Russell, R. J. (Eddisbury)
Campbell, Sir E. T. Holdsworth, H. Russell, S. H. M. (Darwen)
Cartland, J. R. H. Hopkinson, A. Salt, E. W.
Carver, Major W. H. Hore-Belisha, Rt. Hon. L. Sanders, W. S.
Cary, R. A. Howitt, Dr. A. B. Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir P.
Cautley, Sir H. S. Hudson, Capt. A. U. M. (Hack., N.) Savery, Servington
Cayzer, Sir C. W. (City of Chester) Hume, Sir G. H. Seely, Sir H. M.
Cazalet, Thelma (Islington, E.) Hurd, Sir P. A. Shepperson, Sir E. W.
Cazalet, Capt. V. A. (Chippenham) James, Wing-commander A. W. Simmonds, O. E.
Chair, S. S. de Jones, H. Haydn (Merioneth) Simon, Rt. Hon. Sir J. A.
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir A. (Br. W.) Kerr, H. W. (Oldham) Somerset, T.
Channon, H. Kerr, J. G. (Scottish Universities) Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Chapman, A. (Rutherglen) Lamb, Sir J. Q. Southby, Comdr. A. R. J.
Chorlton, A. E. L. Latham, Sir P. Spears, Brig.-Gen. E. L.
Clarke, F. E. Law, R. K. (Hull, S. W.) Spender-Clay Lt.-Cl. Rt. Hn. H. H.
Clarry, R. G. Leech, Dr. J. W. Stanley, Rt. Hon. Oliver (W'm'l'd)
Cobb, Sir C. S. Lees-Jones, J. Storey, S.
Colfox, Major W. P. Leighton, Major B. E. P. Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn)
Colville, Lt.-Col. D. J. Liddall, W. S. Sutcliffe, H.
Cooke, J. D. (Hammersmith, S.) Llewellin, Lieut.-Col. J. J. Tate, Mavis C.
Cooper, Rt. Hn. A. Duff (W'st'r S. G'gs) Lloyd, G. W. Thomas, J. P. L. (Hereford)
Cooper, Rt. Hn. T. M. (E'nburgh, W.) Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Titchfield, Marquess of
Courthope, Col. Sir G. L. Lyons, A. M. Tryon, Major Rt. Hon. G. C.
Critchley, A. Mabane, W. (Huddersfield) Turton, R. H.
Croft, Brig.-Gen. Sir H. Page MacAndrew, Lt.-Col. Sir C. G. Wakefield, W. W.
Crooke, J. S. M'Connell, Sir J. Wallace, Captain Euan
Crookshank, Capt. H. F. C. Macdonald, Capt. P. (Isle of Wight) Ward, Irene (Wallsend)
Cross, R. H. Macmillan, H. (Stockton-on-Tees) Wardlaw-Milne, Sir J. S.
Crowder, J. F. E. Macnamara, Capt. J. R. J. Warrender, Sir V.
Cruddas, Col. B. Magnay, T. Waterhouse, Captain C.
Davies, Major G. F. (Yeovil) Maitland, A. White, H. Graham
Dawson, Sir P. Mander, G. le M. Wickham, Lt.-Col. E. T. R.
De la Bère, R. Margesson, Capt. Rt. Hon. H. D. R. Williams, H. G. (Croydon, S.)
Denman, Hon. R. D. Maxwell, S. A. Willoughby de Eresby, Lord
Donner, P. W. Mayhew, Lt.-Col. J. Wilson, Lt.-Col. Sir A. T. (Hitchin)
Dorman-Smith, Major R. H. Mill's, Major J. D. (New Forest) Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel G.
Dower, Capt. A. V. G. Moreing, A. C. Womersley, Sir W. J.
Duckworth, W. R. (Moss Side) Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. Wragg, H.
Dugdale, Major T. L. Morrison, W. S. (Cirencester) Young, A. S. L. (Partick)
Duggan, H. J. Muirhead, Lt.-Col. A. J.
Duncan, J. A. L. Munro, P. M. TELLERS POR THE AYES.—
Dunglass, Lord Neven-Spence, Maj. B. H. Sir George Penny and Lieut.-Colonel
Sir A. Lambert Ward.
NOES.
Adams, D. (Consett) Ammon, C. G. Banfield, J. W.
Adamson, W. M. Anderson, F. (Whitehaven) Barnes, A. J.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (H'lsbr.) Attlee, Rt. Hon. C. R. Batey, J.
Bellenger, F. Henderson, T. (Tradeston) Price, M. P.
Benson, G. Holland, A. Quibell, J. D.
Bevan, A. Hopkin, D. Riley, B.
Bromfield, W. Jenkins, A. (Pontypool) Ritson, J.
Brooke, W. Jenkins, Sir W. (Neath) Roberts, Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Brom.)
Brown, C. (Mansfield) Johnston, Rt. Hon. T. Robinson, W. A. (St. Helens)
Buchanan, G. Jones, A. C. (Shipley) Rowson, G.
Burke, W. A. Kelly, W. T. Salter, Dr. A.
Cape, T. Kennedy, Rt. Hon. T. Sanders, W. S.
Charleton, H. C. Kirby, B. V. Sexton, T. M.
Chater, D. Kirkwood, D. Shinwell, E.
Cluse, W. S. Leach, W. Silverman, S. S.
Cocks, F. S. Lee, F. Smith, Ben (Rotherhithe)
Compton, J. Leonard, W. Smith, E. (Stoke)
Daggar, G. Leslie, J. R. Smith, T. (Normanton)
Dalton, H. Logan, D. G. Sorensen, R. W.
Davidson, J. J. (Maryhill) Lunn, W. Stephen, C.
Davies, D. L. (Pontypridd) Macdonald, G. (Ince) Stewart, W. J. (H'ght'n-le-Sp'ng)
Davies, S. O. (Merthyr) McEntee, V. La T. Taylor, R. J. (Morpeth)
Day, H. McGhee, H. G. Thorne, W.
Dobbie, W. McGovern, J. Thurtle, E.
Dunn, E. (Rother Valley) Maclean, N. Tinker, J. J.
Ede, J. C. MacMillan, M. (Western Isles) Viant, S. P.
Edwards, A. (Middlesbrough E.) MacNeill, Weir, L. Walkden, A. G.
Fletcher, Lt.-Comdr. R. T. H. Mainwaring, W. H. Walker, J.
Frankel, D. Marklew, E. Watkins. F. C.
Gallacher, W. Marshall, F. Watson, W. McL.
Gardner, B. W. Mathers, G. Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. J. C.
Garro-Jones, G. M. Maxton, J. Welsh, J. C.
Gibbins, J. Messer, F. Westwood, J.
Graham, D. M. (Hamilton) Montague, F. Williams, E. J. (Ogmore)
Green, W. H. (Deptford) Naylor, T. E. Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly)
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. Oliver, G. H. Wilson, C. H. (Attercliffe)
Grenfell, D. R. Paling, W. Woods, G. S. (Finsbury)
Griffiths, G. A. (Hemsworth) Parker, H. J. H. Young, Sir R. (Newton)
Hall, G. H. (Aberdare) Parkinson, J. A.
Hall, J. H. (Whitechapel) Pethick-Lawrence, F. W. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Hardie, G. D. Potts, J. Mr. Whiteley and Mt. Groves.