HC Deb 23 July 1930 vol 241 cc2159-63
Mr. STANLEY BALDWIN

May I ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer, as Leader of the House, a question about business? There is a Motion down to suspend the Eleven o'Clock Rule. The programme before us to-day is very heavy, and, with the best will in the world to get through it, the Unemployment Insurance Bill must take a considerable time. I know that it is desired to get the first four Orders, and I wish to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he proposes to sit very late in the event of those Orders not being concluded? Perhaps, at the same time, he can tell me whether it is proposed to take more than one stage to-night of the London Naval Treaty Bill.

Mr. P. SNOWDEN

As the right hon. Gentleman says, it is a rather heavy programme, but we are asking the House to get through it to-day, in order to facilitate the winding up of the Session by the end of the month. If that object is to be achieved—and regard must be paid to the convenience of another place—it will be necessary to dispose of the first four Orders to-day. I think the Prime Minister gave that information to the House yesterday. The fifth Order on the Paper is really not a Bill of this House, but a Bill I understand of the Parliament of Northern Ireland. They are very anxious, however, to get it as quickly as possible, and I am informed that it is really non-contentious. We should like therefore to get these Orders to-day. In regard to the Unemployment Insurance Bill, we had a very long discussion on the Money Resolution on Friday, when practically the whole of the sitting was devoted to it, and, while we have no desire whatever to restrict discussion upon it, I do not think the House will find it necessary to occupy a very long time upon this first Order. At any rate, we are very anxious—and indeed it is necessary if we are to rise at the end of the month—to get through this business to-day. On the other hand, we have no desire to keep the House sitting late. In regard to the London Naval Treaty Bill, the Prime Minister, I believe, intimated yesterday that all its stages might be taken to-day, but I do not press that proposal. I am not very well informed in regard to this matter.

Mr. BALDWIN

How many stages will be taken?

Mr. SNOWDEN

We will be satisfied with the one stage, the Second Reading.

Motion made, and Question put, That the Proceedings on Government Business be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)."—[Mr. P. Snowden.]

The House divided: Ayes, 263: Noes, 135.

Division No. 455.] AYES. [3.48 p.m.
Adamson, Rt. Hon. W. (Fife, West) Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Zetland) Muggeridge, H. T.
Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) Harris, Percy A. Murnin, Hugh
Aitchison, Rt. Hon. Craigie M. Haycock, A. W. Nathan, Major H. L.
Alexander, Rt. Hon. A. V. (Hillsbro') Henderson, Right Hon. A. (Burnley) Naylor, T. E.
Alpass, J. H. Henderson, Thomas (Glasgow) Noel-Buxton, Baroness (Norfolk, N.)
Arnott, John Henderson, W. W. (Middx., Enfield) Oldfield, J. R.
Attlee, Clement Richard Herriotts, J. Oliver, George Harold (Ilkeston)
Ayles, Walter Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) Oliver, P. M. (Man., Blackley)
Baker, John (Wolverhampton, Bilston) Hoffman, P. C. Owen, H. F. (Hereford)
Baldwin, Oliver (Dudley) Hollins, A. Palin, John Henry
Barnes, Alfred John Hopkin, Daniel Paling, Wilfrid
Barr, James Horrabin, J. F. Palmer, E. T.
Benn, Rt. Hon. Wedgwood Hudson, James H. (Huddersfield) Perry, S. F.
Bennett, Capt. Sir E. N. (Cardiff C.) Hunter, Dr. Joseph Pethick-Lawrence, F. W.
Benson, G. Hutchison, Maj..Gen. Sir R. Phillips, Dr. Marion
Bentham, Dr. Ethel Isaacs, George Picton-Turbervill, Edith
Bevan, Aneurin (Ebbw Vale) Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) Pole, Major D. G.
Bondfield, Rt. Hon. Margaret Johnston, Thomas Potts, John S.
Bowerman, Rt. Hon. Charles W. Jones, F. Llewellyn. (Flint) Price, M. P.
Broad, Francis Alfred Jones, Rt. Hon. Leif (Camborne) Pybus, Percy John
Bromfield, William Jowett, Rt. Hon. F. W. Ramsay, T. B. Wilson
Bromley, J. Kelly, W. T. Rathbone, Eleanor
Brooke, W. Kennedy, Thomas Raynes, W. R.
Brothers, M. Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. Richards, R.
Brown, C. W. E. (Notts. Mansfield) Kinley, J. Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring)
Brown, Ernest (Leith) Kirkwood, D. Riley, F. F. (Stockton-on-Tees)
Brown, Rt. Hon. J. (South Ayrshire) Knight, Holford Ritson, J.
Brown, W. J. (Wolverhampton, West) Lambert, Rt. Hon. George (S. Molton) Romeril, H. G.
Buchanan, G. Lang, Gordon Rosbotham, D. S. T.
Burgess, F. G. Lansbury, Rt. Hon. George Rowson, Guy
Buxton, C. R. (Yorks. W. R. Elland) Lathan, G. Salter, Dr. Alfred
Cameron, A. G. Law, Albert (Bolton) Samuel, Rt. Hon. Sir H. (Darwen)
Carter, W. (St. Pancras, S. W.) Law, A. (Rosendale) Sanders, W. S.
Charleton, H. C. Lawrence, Susan Sandham, E.
Chater, Daniel Lawrie, Hugh Hartley (Stalybridge) Sawyer, G. F.
Church, Major A. G. Lawson, John James Scrymgeour, E.
Clarke, J. S. Lawther, W. (Barnard Castle) Scurr, John
Clarke, J. S. Lee, Jennie (Lanark, Northern) Sexton, James
Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. Lees, J. Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston)
Cocks, Frederick Seymour Lewis, T. (Southampton) Shepherd, Arthur Lewis
Compton, Joseph Lindley, Fred W. Sherwood, G. H.
Cove, William G. Lloyd, C. Ellis Shield, George William
Cowan, D. M. Logan, David Gilbert Shield, Dr. Drummond
Daggar, George Longbottom, A. W. Shillaker, J. F.
Dalton, Hugh Longden, F. Shinwell, E.
Davies, E. C. (Montgomery) Lovat-Fraser, J. A. Short, Alfred (Wednesbury)
Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) Lowth, Thomas Simmons, C. J.
Day, Harry Lunn, William Sinclair, Sir A. (Caithness)
Denman, Hon. R. D. Macdonald, Gordon (Ince) Sinkinson, George
Duncan, Charles MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Seaham) Sitch, Charles H.
Ede, James Chuter McElwee, A. Smith, Ben (Bermondsey, Rotherhithe)
Edge, Sir William McGovern, J. (Glasgow, Shettleston) Smith, Frank (Nuneaton)
Edmunds, J. E. McKinlay, A. Smith, Tom (Pontefract)
Edwards, C. (Monmouth, Bedwellty) MacLaren, Andrew Smith, W. R. (Norwich)
Edwards, E. (Morpeth) Maclean, Neil (Glasgow, Govan) Snell, Harry
Egan, W. H. Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip
Elmley, Viscount McShane, John James Snowden, Thomas (Accrington)
England, Colonel A. Malone, C. L'Estrenge (N'thampton) Sorensen, R.
Foot, Isaac Mander, Geoffrey le M. Stamford, Thomas W.
Forgan, Dr. Robert Mansfield, W. Stephen, Campbell
Freeman, Peter March, S. Stewart, J. (St. Rollox)
Gardner, B. W. (West Ham, Upton) Marcus, M. Strachey, E. J. St. Loe
Gardner, J. P. (Hammersmith, N.) Markham, S. F. Strauss, G. R.
George, Major G. Lloyd (Pembroke) Marley, J. Sullivan, J.
Gibbins, Joseph Marshall, Fred Sutton, J. E.
Gibson, H. M. (Lancs, Mossley) Mathers, George Taylor, R. A. (Lincoln)
Gill, T. H. Matters, L. W. Taylor, W. B. (Norfolk, S. W.)
Gillett, George M. Maxton, James Thomas, Rt. Hon. J. H. (Derby)
Glassey, A. E. Melville, Sir James Thurtle, Ernest
Gossling, A. G. Messer, Fred Tinker, John Joseph
Gould, F. Millar, J. D. Tout, W. J.
Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) Mills, J. E. Townend, A. E.
Granville, E. Milner, Major J. Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Gray, Milner Montague, Frederick Vaughan, D. J.
Greenwood, Rt. Hon. A. (Colne) Morley, Ralph Viant, S. P.
Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) Morris, Rhys Hopkins Walker, J.
Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) Morris-Jones, Dr. J. H. (Denbigh) Wallhead, Richard C.
Groves, Thomas E. Morrison, Herbert (Hackney, South) Watkins, F. C.
Grundy, Thomas W. Morrison, Robert C. (Tottenham, N.) Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline)
Hall, F. (York, W. R., Normanton) Mort, D. L. Watts-Morgan, Lt.-Col. D. (Rhondda)
Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) Moses, J. J. H. Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah
Hall, Capt. W. G. (Portsmouth, C.) Mosley, Sir Oswald (Smethwick) Wellock, Wilfred
Hamilton, Mary Agnes (Blackburn) Muff, G. Welsh, James (Paisley)
Welsh, James C. (Coatbridge) Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) Wright, W. (Rutherglen)
Westwood, Joseph Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) Young, R. S. (Islington, North)
White, H. G. Wilson, J. (Oldham)
Whiteley, Wilfrid (Birm., Ladywood) Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—
Wilkinson, Ellen C. Winterton, G. E. (Leicester, Loughb'gh) Mr. Allen Parkinson and Mr.
Williams, David (Swansea, East) Wise, E. F. William Whiteley.
NOES.
Acland-Troyte, Lieut.-Colonel Eden, Captain Anthony Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert
Albery, Irving James Edmondson, Major A. J. O'Connor, T. J.
Allen, Sir J. Sandeman (Liverp'l., W.) Elliot, Major Walter E. Oman, Sir Charles William C.
Allen, Lt.-Col. Sir William (Armagh) Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) Peake, Captain Osbert
Astor, Maj. Hon. John J. (Kent, Dover) Everard, W. Lindsay Penny, Sir George
Astor, Viscountess Falle, Sir Bertram G. Peto, Sir Basil E. (Devon, Barnstaple)
Atholl, Duchess of Fielden, E. B. Ramsbotham, H.
Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley (Bewdley) Forestier-Walker, Sir L. Rawson, Sir Cooper
Balfour, Captain H. H. (I. of Thanet) Fremantle, Lieut.-Colonel Francis E. Rentoul, Sir Gervais S.
Balniel, Lord Ganzoni, Sir John Richardson, Sir P. W. (Sur'y, Ch'te'y)
Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. Gibson, C. G. (Pudsey & Otley) Roberts, Sir Samuel (Ecclesall)
Beaumont, M. W. Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell
Berry, Sir George Glyn, Major R. G. C. Ross, Major Ronald D.
Betterton, Sir Henry B. Graham, Fergus (Cumberland, N.) Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth)
Bevan, S. J. (Holborn) Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John Sandeman, Sir N. Stewart
Birchall, Major Sir John Dearman Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. Sassoon, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip A. G. D.
Bourne, Captain Robert Croft Gunston, Captain D. W. Savery, S. S.
Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart Hacking, Rt. Hon. Douglas H. Shepperson, Sir Ernest Whittome
Bowyer, Captain Sir George E. W. Hall, Lieut.-Col. Sir F. (Dulwich) Sinclair, Col. T. (Queen's U., Belfast)
Boyce, H. L. Hamilton, Sir George (Ilford) Skelton, A. N.
Briscoe, Richard George Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.)
Brown, Col. D. C. (N'th'l'd., Hexham) Hartington, Marquess of Smith-Carington, Neville W.
Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C. (Berks, Newb'y) Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) Smithers, Waldron
Buchan, John Henderson, Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) Somerset, Thomas
Butler, R. A. Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. Somerville, A. A. (Windsor)
Cadogan, Major Hon. Edward Herbert, Sir Dennis (Hertford) Somerville, D. G. (Willesden, East)
Cautley, Sir Henry S. Hoare, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir S. J. G. Southby, Commander A. R. J.
Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K. Stanley, Maj. Hon. O. (W'morland)
Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) Hurst, Sir Gerald B. Stewart, W. J. (Belfast, South)
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. Sir J. A. (Birm., W.) Iveagh, Countess of Sueter, Rear-Admiral M. F.
Chapman, Sir S. King, Commodore Rt. Hon. Henry D. Thomas, Major L. B. (King's Norton)
Christie, J. A. Knox, Sir Alfred Titchfield, Major the Marquess of
Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spencer Lamb, Sir J. O. Train, J.
Cohen, Major J. Brunel Law, Sir Alfred (Derby, High Peak) Vaughan-Morgan, Sir Kenyon
Colfox, Major William Philip Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. Godfrey Wallace, Capt. D. E. (Hornsey)
Colman, N. C. D. Lymington, Viscount Ward, Lieut.-Col. Sir A. Lambert
Courtauld, Major J. S. Makins, Brigadier-General E. Wardlaw-Milne, J. S.
Crichton-Stuart, Lord C. Marjoribanks, E. C. Warrender, Sir Victor
Cranborne, Viscount Meller, R. J. Waterhouse, Captain Charles
Crookshank, Capt. H. C. Mitchell, Sir W. Lane (Streatham) Wilson, G. H. A. (Cambridge U.)
Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West) Mitchell-Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Windsor Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George
Cunliffe-Lister, Rt. Hon Sir Philip Monsell, Eyres, Com. Rt. Hon. Sir B. Winterton, Rt. Hon. Earl
Davies, Dr. Vernon Moore, Sir Newton J. (Richmond) Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley
Davies, Maj. Geo. F. (Somerset, Yeovil) Morrison-Bell, Sir Arthur Clive
Davison, Sir W. H. (Kensington, S.) Mulrhead, A. J. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—
Dugdale, Capt. T. L. Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld) Major Sir George Hennessy and
Sir Frederick Thomson.