§ Mr. RAMSAY MacDONALDMay I ask the Prime Minister if he can state what business it is proposed to take next week?
§ The PRIME MINISTERMonday: The remaining stages of the Imperial Telegraphs Bill; Report stage of the 1407 Superannuation (Diplomatic Service) Bill, and of the Appellate Jurisdiction Bill.
Tuesday: Motion to set up a time table for the remaining stages of the Local Government Bills.
Wednesday: Motion dealing with the Exchequer contributions under the Housing Acts.
In the event of the Motion allocating time for the Local Government Bills being passed by the House, Thursday will be the first Allotted Day in Committee on the English Bill.
The business for Friday will be announced later, and, if there is time on any day, other Orders will be taken.
§ Mr. MacDONALDWould the Prime Minister say when the Motion to allocate time is to be put on the Paper?
§ The PRIME MINISTEROn Tuesday. The papers concerning it will be in the Vote Office to-morrow.
§ Mr. MacDONALDWhen are we to know what the proposal is going to be?
§ The PRIME MINISTERTo-morrow.
§ Mr. MACPHERSONMay I ask my right hon. Friend whether he can conveniently state when it is proposed to take the Committee stage of the Local Government (Scotland) Bill, and whether the Committee stage of the English Local Government Bill will be finished before the Committee stage of the Scottish Bill begins?
§ The PRIME MINISTERThe only definite reply I can give to that is that the Scottish Bill will certainly not be taken in Committee this side of Christmas.
§ Lieut.-Commander KENWORTHYIs there any precedent existing for introducing what is called a Guillotine Motion before any progress has been made on the Committee stage?
§ The PRIME MINISTEROf course.
§ Mr. BUCHANANWill the Government's Motion apply to the Local Government (Scotland) Bill as well as to the English Bill, or only to the English Bill? Is it the intention to give a separate Guillotine Motion for Scotland?
§ The PRIME MINISTERIt will apply to both Bills.
§ Mr. BATEYHas the Prime Minister considered the setting aside of a day next week for the purpose of discussing the distress in the mining areas, in view of the Debate and the answer Which was given on behalf of the Government last night being so unsatisfactory?
§ The PRIME MINISTERNo, Sir.
§ Mr. MACPHERSONWill the Prime Minister not reconsider his proposal to take the discussion as to the allocation of time for both the Bills on Tuesday. Is my right hon. Friend aware that there will be an equally long discussion on the Scottish Bill, and will he consider the advisability of giving at least another half-day to the discussion of the Scottish Bill?
§ The PRIME MINISTERThere is so much ground in common that in this particular case there is a great deal of convenience in taking the two together.
§ Mr. BATEYDoes the Prime Minister consider it more important to discuss the Bill giving pensions to the diplomatic service than to discuss the distress in the mining areas?
§ Mr. SHINWELLOn a point of Order, Sir. I would like to ask for your Ruling as to whether it is competent for the Government to introduce one time-table Motion for two separate Measures, the English Local Government Bill and the Scottish Local Government Bill. Does the existence of two separate Measures not involve two separate Motions about the allocation of time?
§ Mr. SPEAKERThat is not a matter for me; that is a matter for the Government and the Leader of the House.
§ Mr. SHINWELLWhat is the competent method by which this question can be raised? Is it by putting a question to the Government, or by putting down a Motion, or by making a submission to yourself, Mr. Speaker?
§ Mr. SPEAKERThe hon. Member can raise that point when the Motion comes on for discussion in the House.
§ Mr. SHINWELLI wish to ask for your guidance, Mr. Speaker, on this question. How is it possible to raise this matter competently when the timetable Motion is before the House? Will it not be ruled out of Order?
§ Mr. SPEAKERI should be sorry to give a Ruling in advance in regard to any Amendment which may be put down to the Motion. Of course, it is open to any hon. Member to put down an Amendment as soon as the terms of the Motion appear Oil the Paper.
§ Mr. E. BROWNWill the Prime Minister state if, inside the terms of the Motion to be proposed on Tuesday, the Government propose to give an equal allocation of time for both Bills?
§ The PRIME MINISTERThat must depend on the course of business, and I have no control over that.
§ Mr. BROWNSeeing that the Prime Minister has given notice to move a Motion applying the guillotine to both these Bills, ought not this House to know whether the time proposed is going to be equal in the case of both Bills?
§ Mr. SPEAKERAll these are matters for discussion when the Motion comes before the House.
§
Motion made, and Question put,
That other Government Business have precedence this day of the Business of Supply."—[The Prime Minister.]
§ The House divided: Ayes, 205; Noes, 131.
1411| Division No. 25.] | AYES. | [3.55 p.m. |
| Albery, Irving James | Dean, Arthur Wellesley | Looker, Herbert William |
| Amery, Rt. Hon. Leopold C. M. S. | Drewe, C. | Luce, Maj.-Gen. Sir Richard Harman |
| Applin, Colonel R. V. K. | Edmondson, Major A. J. | MacAndrew, Major Charles Glen |
| Ashley, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Wilfrid W. | Elliot, Major Walter E. | Macdonald, Capt. P. D. (I. of W.) |
| Astor, Maj. Hn. John J. (Kent, Dover) | Erskine, Lord (Somerset, Weston-s.-M.) | McDonnell, Colonel Hon. Angus |
| Atholl, Duchess of | Erskine, James Malcolm Monteith | Macintyre, Ian |
| Baldwin, Rt. Hon. Stanley | Evans, Captain A. (Cardiff, South) | McLean, Major A. |
| Balniel, Lord | Everard, W. Lindsay | Macnaghten, Hon. Sir Malcolm |
| Barclay-Harvey, C. M. | Falle, Sir Bertram G. | Maitland, A. (Kent, Faversham) |
| Beamish, Rear-Admiral T. P. H. | Fermoy, Lord | Maitland, Sir Arthur D. Steel- |
| Beckett, Sir Gervase (Leeds, N.) | Forrest, W. | Makins, Brigadier-General E. |
| Bellairs, Commander Cariyon | Foster, Sir Harry S. | Margesson, Captain D. |
| Benn, Sir A. S. (Plymouth, Drake) | Fraser, Captain Ian | Marriott, Sir J. A. R. |
| Bennett. A. J. | Gadle, Lieut.-Col. Anthony | Merriman, Sir F. Boyd |
| Berry, Sir George | Ganzoni, Sir John | Milne, J. S. Wardlaw- |
| Betterton, Henry B. | Gates, Percy | Mitchell, W. Foot (Saffron Walden) |
| Bird, E. R. (Yorks, W. R., Skipton) | Gault, Lieut.-Col. Andrew Hamilton | Monsell, Eyres. Com. Rt. Hon. B. M. |
| Boothby, R. J. G. | Gilmour, Lt.-Col. Rt. Hon. Sir John | Moore, Lieut.-Colonel T. C. R. (Ayr) |
| Bourne, Captain Robert Croft | Goff, Sir Park | Moreing, Captain A. H. |
| Bowater, Col. Sir T. Vansittart | Grant, Sir J. A. | Nelson, Sir Frank |
| Bowyer, Capt. G. E. W. | Grattan-Doyle. Sir N. | Newman, Sir R. H. S. D. L. (Exeter) |
| Braithwaite, Major A. N. | Gretton, Colonel Rt. Hon. John | Newton, Sir D. G. C. (Cambridge) |
| Bridgeman, Rt. Hon. William Clive | Grotrian, H. Brent | Nicholson, O. (Westminster) |
| Briscoe, Richard George | Guest, Capt. Rt. Hon. F. E. (Bristol, N.) | Nicholson, Col. Rt. Hn. W. G. (Ptrsf'ld.) |
| Brittain, Sir Harry | Guinness, Rt. Hon. Walter E. | Nield, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert |
| Brocklebank, C. E. R. | Hacking, Douglas H. | Nuttall, Ellis |
| Brooke, Brigadier-General C. R. I. | Hall, Capt. W. D'A. (Brecon & Rad.) | Oman, Sir Charles William C. |
| Brown, Brig.-Gen. H. C.(Berks, Newb'y) | Hammersley, S. S. | Ormsby-Gore, Rt. Hon. William |
| Buchan, John | Hannon, Patrick Joseph Henry | Penny, Frederick George |
| Buckingham, Sir H. | Harland, A. | Perkins, Colonel E. K. |
| Bull, Rt. Hon. Sir William James | Hartington, Marquess of | Perring, Sir William George |
| Bullock, Captain M. | Harvey, G. (Lambeth, Kennington) | Peto, G. (Somerset, Frome) |
| Burman, J. B. | Harvey, Major S. E. (Devon, Totnes) | Power, Sir John Cecil |
| Burton, Colonel H. W. | Haslam, Henry C. | Pownall, Sir Assheton |
| Cautley, Sir Henry S. | Henderson. Capt. R. R. (Oxf'd, Henley) | Preston, Sir Walter (Cheltenham) |
| Cayzer, Sir C. (Chester, City) | Heneage, Lieut.-Colonel Arthur P. | Price, Major C. W. M. |
| Cayzer, Maj. Sir Herbt. R. (Prtsmth, S.) | Henn, Sir Sydney H. | Radford, E. A. |
| Cazalet, Captain Victor A. | Hennesey, Major Sir G. R. J. | Raine, Sir Walter |
| Cecil, Rt. Hon. Sir Evelyn (Aston) | Herbert, S. (York. N. R., Scar. & wh'by) | Rentoul, G. S. |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. N. (Ladywood) | Hills, Major John Waller | Rhys, Hon. C. A. U. |
| Charteris, Brigadier-General J. | Hilton, Cecil | Richardson. R. (Houghton-le-Spring) |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston Spenser | Hope, Sir Harry (Forfar) | Rodd, Rt. Hon. Sir James Rennell |
| Churchman, Sir Arthur C. | Howard-Bury, Colonel C. K. | Ruggles-Brise, Lieut.-Colonel E. A. |
| Clayton, G. C. | Hume, Sir G. H. | Russell, Alexander West (Tynemouth) |
| Cobb, Sir Cyril | Hunter-Weston, Lt.-Gen. Sir Aylmer | Salmon, Major I. |
| Cochrane, Commander Hon. A. D. | Hurd, Percy A. | Samuel, A. M. (Surrey, Farnham) |
| Cockerill, Brig.-General Sir George | Hurst, Gerald B. | Sandeman, N. Stewart |
| Colfox, Major Win. Phillips | Illffe, Sir Edward M. | Sanders, Sir Robert A. |
| Cooper, A. Duff | Inskip, Sir Thomas Walker H. | Sandon, Lord |
| Couper, J. B. | Joynson-Hicks, Rt. Hon. Sir William | Sassoon, Sir Philip Albert Gustave D. |
| Courthope, Colonel Sir G. L, | King, Commodore Henry Douglas | Savory, S. S. |
| Crooke, J Smedley (Derltend) | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement | Shaw, R. G. (Yorks, W. R.. Sowerby) |
| Crookshank, Cpt. H. (Lindsey, Gainsbro) | Knox, Sir Alfred | Shaw, Lt.-Col. A. D. Mel. (Renfrew, W) |
| Culverwell, C. T. (Bristol, West) | Lamb, J. Q. | Sheffield, Sir Berkeley |
| Curzon, Captain Viscount | Lister, Cunliffe-, Rt. Hon. Sir Philip | Simms, Dr. John M. (Co. Down) |
| Davies, Sir Thomas (Cirencester) | Locker-Lampson, Rt. Hon. Godfrey | Skelton, A. N. |
| Davies, Dr. Vernon | Locker-Lampson, Com. O.(Handsw'th) | Smith, R. W. (Aberd'n & Kinc'dine, C.) |
| Davison, Sir W. H (Kensington, S.) | Loder, J. de V. | Smithers, Waldron |
| Spender-Clay, Colonel H. | Titchfield, Major the Marquess of | Windsor-Clive, Lieut.-Colonel George |
| Stanley, Lord (Fylde) | Tryon, Rt. Hon. George Clement | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Stott, Lieut.-Colonel W. H | Vaughan-Morgan, Col. K. p. | Womersley, W. J. |
| Streatfeild, Captain S. R. | Wallace, Captain D. E. | Wood, Rt. Hon. Sir Kingsley |
| Stuart, Crichton, Lord C. | Warner, Brigadier-General W. W. | Woodcock, Colonel H. C. |
| Stuart, Hon. J. (Moray and Nairn) | Warrender, Sir Victor | Worthington-Evans, Rt. Hon. Sir L. |
| Sueter, Rear-Admiral Murray Fraser | Waterhouse, Captain Charles | Wright, Brig.-General w. D. |
| Tasker, R. Inigo. | Watson, Rt. Hon. W. (Carlisle) | |
| Templeton, W. P. | Watts, Sir Thomas | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.— |
| Thorn, Lt.-Col. J. G. (Dumbarton) | Wells, S. R. | Major Sir William Cope and Mr. F. C. Thomson. |
| Thompson, Luke (Sunderland) | White, Lieut.-Colonel G. Dairymple | |
| Thomson, Rt. Hon. Sir W. Mitchell | Williams, Com. C. (Devon, Torquay) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Adamson, W. M. (Staff., Cannock) | Harney, E. A. | Salter, Dr. Alfred |
| Alexander. A. V. (Sheffield, Hillsbro') | Harris, Percy A. | Scurr, John |
| Ammon, Charles George | Hayday, Arthur | Sexton, James |
| Baker, Walter | Henderson, Rt. Hon. A. (Burnley) | Shaw, Rt. Hon. Thomas (Preston) |
| Barker, G. (Monmouth, Abertillery) | Henderson, T. (Glasgow) | Shepherd, Arthur Lewis |
| Barnes, A. | Hirst, G. H. | Shiels, Dr. Drummond |
| Barr, J. | Hirst, W. (Bradford, South) | Shinwell, E. |
| Batey, Joseph | Hudson, J. H. (Huddersfield) | Sinclair, Major Sir A. (Caithness) |
| Beckett, John (Gateshead) | Hutchison, Sir Robert (Montrose) | Smith, Rennie (Penistone) |
| Bellamy, A. | Jenkins, W. (Glamorgan, Neath) | Snell, Harry |
| Benn, Wedgwood | John, William (Rhondda, West) | Snowden, Rt. Hon. Philip |
| Bondfield, Margaret | Jones, Morgan (Caerphilly) | Stamford, T. W. |
| Briant, Frank | Jones, T. I. Mardy (Pontypridd) | Stephen, Campbell |
| Brown, Ernest (Leith) | Kelly, W. T. | Stewart. J. (St. Rollox) |
| Brown, James (Ayr and Bute) | Kennedy, T. | Sullivan, J. |
| Buchanan, G. | Kenworthy, Lt.-Com. Hon. Joseph M. | Sutton, J. E. |
| Buxton, Rt. Hon. Noel | Kirkwood, D. | Taylor, R. A. |
| Cape, Thomas | Lansbury, George | Thomas, Sir Robert John (Anglesey) |
| Charleton, H. C. | Lawrence, Susan | Thorne, W. (West Ham, Plaistow) |
| Cluse, W. S. | Lawson, John James | Thurtle, Ernest |
| Clynes, Rt. Hon. John R. | Lee, F. | Tinker, John Joseph |
| Compton, Joseph | Livingstone, A. M. | Tomlinson, R. P. |
| Cove, W. G. | Longbottom, A. W. | Townend, A. E. |
| Dalton, Hugh | Lunn, William | Trevelyan, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles |
| Davies, Evan (Ebbw Vale) | MacDonald, Rt. Hon. J. R. (Aberavon) | Viant, S. P. |
| Davies, Rhys John (Westhoughton) | Mackinder, W. | Wallhead, Richard C. |
| Day, Harry | Macpherson, Rt. Hon. James I. | Walsh, Rt. Hon. Stephen |
| Evans, Capt. Ernest (Welsh Univer.) | Malone, C. L'Estrange (N'thampton) | Watson, W. M. (Dunfermline) |
| Funby, T. D. | March, S. | Webb, Rt. Hon. Sidney |
| Garro-Jones, Captain G. M. | Maxton, James | Wedgwood, Rt. Hon. Josiah |
| Gibbins, Joseph | Montague, Frederick | Wellock, Wilfred |
| Gillett, George M. | Mosley, Sir Oswald | Welsh, J. C. |
| Gosling, Harry | Murnin, H. | Westwood, J. |
| Graham, D. M. (Lanark, Hamilton) | Naylor, T. E. | Williams, David (Swansea, East) |
| Graham, Rt. Hon. Wm. (Edin., Cent.) | Owen, Major G. | Williams, Dr. J. H. (Llanelly) |
| Greenall, T. | Palin, John Henry | Williams, T. (York, Don Valley) |
| Greenwood, A. (Nelson and Colne) | Paling, W. | Wilson, C. H. (Sheffield, Attercliffe) |
| Grenfell, D. R. (Glamorgan) | Parkinson, John Allen (Wigan) | Wilson, R. J. (Jarrow) |
| Griffith, F. Kingsley | Pethick-Lawrence, P. W. | Windsor, Walter |
| Griffiths, T. (Monmouth, Pontypool) | Ponsonby, Arthur | Wright, W. |
| Grundy, T. W. | Potts, John S. | Young, Robert (Lancaster, Newton) |
| Hall, F. (York. W. R., Normanton) | Purcell, A. A. | |
| Hall, G. H. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Richardson, R. (Houghton-le-Spring) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.— |
| Hamilton, Sir R. (Orkney & Shetland) | Riley, Ben | Mr. Charles Edwards and Mr. Whitley. |
| Hardle, George D. | Roberts. Rt. Hon. F. O. (W. Bromwich) |