§ Resolution [7th November] reported, "That it is expedient for the purpose of any Act of the present Session to amend the provision for the Government of Ireland (a) to authorise the payment in each year out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom of any sums for the payment of which into the Irish Exchequer, or to any body or person in the stead of the Irish Exchequer, provision may be made under that Act; and (b) to authorise such Customs Duties to be charged on articles brought into Great Britain from Ireland or into Ireland from Great Britain, and such alterations of drawbacks or allowances to be made in respect of those articles, as may be provided for by that Act, in cases where any Customs or Excise Duty levied in Great Britain is levied at a different rate from that at which the Duty is levied in Ireland, or where any Customs or Excise Duty is levied in Great Britain and not levied in Ireland, or levied in Ireland and not levied in Great Britain; and (c) to authorise the payment out of the Consolidated Fund or out of moneys provided by Parliament of any salaries, pensions, superannuation allowances, gratuities, or compensation, for the payment of which to or on behalf of any judges or existing Irish officers, or officers of constables of the Royal Irish Constabulary or of the Dublin Metropolitan Police force, provision may be made in pursuance of that Act."
§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Resolution be read a second time."
§ Sir FREDERICK BANBURYI beg to move at the end of Paragraph (a) to insert the words—
provided that the total payments shall not exceed in any one year the sum of £2,500,000, exclusive of the pro- 1766 ceeds in that year of Irish taxes and of the saving to the Exchequer of the United Kingdom in respect of any reserved services transferred to the Government of Ireland after the appointed day.The object of this Amendment is very clear. It is to prevent the taxpayers of England being called upon by the Government to provide money for a country in whose Government they shall have no share. As the Resolution stands, if the House agrees with the Committee in that Resolution the Government will have power to devote and to appropriate any sums of money they may choose from the revenues of the United Kingdom, and having taken those revenues to hand them over to the hon. and learned Gentleman the Member for Waterford (Mr. J. Redmond). I have no doubt that the right hon. Gentleman the Postmaster-General, who, I presume, is going to reply to me will say; "Oh, we do not intend to do anything which is detrimental to the taxpayers of England. You must put your trust in the Government to see that no very large extra sum is to be transferred out of their pockets into the pockets of the hon. and learned Gentleman the Member for Waterford and his Friends. My answer is that I do not trust the Government. I do not desire to give the Government a blank cheque which would enable them, on any pressure put by the hon. Member for Waterford or by the forty-two Members who will take his place if this Bill becomes law, to use the funds of the taxpayers of this country for bolstering up the Government in Ireland. It may be said that it is not usual for any limiting words to be put into a Money Resolution. I have moved limiting words I do not know how many times, but certainly a considerable number. They have never been carried, I admit; but that is because the Government of the day, having put on their Whips, have compelled Members to support them in the Division Lobby. I do not remember any real or valid argument having been adduced against the proposition I am making now, and which I have made on previous occasions in regard to similar Resolutions, that the power of the Government to deal with the purse of the country should be limited.In this case it is particularly necessary to limit this power, because I do not believe that the majority of the people of this country thoroughly realise that unless my Amendment is carried they are certain 1767 to be called upon to contribute £2,000,000 or £2,500,000 out of their own pockets to the Government of Ireland. In suggesting £2,500,000 I have endeavoured to arrive at a reasonable sum. The Postmaster-General may perhaps like to know how I have arrived at that figure. I have taken the figures given by the right hon. Gentleman, £10,850,000; I have deducted the reserved services and what are called the prior charges, namely, the expenses of those charges which are reserved by the Government in addition to the reserved services. I have so worded my Amendment that if later on any reserved services are transferred to the Irish Government the English taxpayer shall not derive any advantage from that, but that the money, which in the ordinary course would have remained in the pockets of the English taxpayer, shall be transferred to the Irish Parliament. I think I have framed my Resolution so as to meet all reasonable objections. I may explain that I have put in the words "exclusive of the proceeds in that year of Irish taxes" because I am informed that Ireland is to be allowed to increase certain taxes; those taxes will be Irish taxes, and, being raised in Ireland, should go to the Irish Parliament. Therefore I have put in words to make that clear. I have endeavoured by my Amendment to ensure that the sum of money raised in Ireland out of Irish pockets shall be devoted to those services which deal exclusively with Ireland and Irish affairs, and that the British people will not be allowed to contribute to the maintenance of what I believe the majority of them dislike, namely, Home Rule in Ireland.
§ Sir JOHN LONSDALEI beg to second the Amendment.
§ Mr. LOUGHWill the effect of moving this Amendment be to limit the general nature of the discussion, or can the whole Resolution as put from the Chair be discussed on the Amendment?
§ Mr. SPEAKERThe effect will be to limit the discussion until this matter is disposed of.
§ The POSTMASTER-GENERAL (Mr. Herbert Samuel)The hon. Member has made it an invariable rule, whenever a Money Resolution is put down in connection with any Bill, to propose some specific limitation upon its scope, no matter how inapplicable such a limitation might be to the particular case. Such having been his 1768 invariable rule, and since he was well aware that a Money Resolution would be required for this Bill, it would have been more for the convenience of the House if he had put his Amendment on the Paper, seeing that the Money Resolution has been down for a week or ten days. The fact that the Amendment is not on the Paper would have made the discussion somewhat difficult, if indeed it was not perfectly obvious from the outset that the Amendment could not conceivably be accepted. Let me make sure that I have not misunderstood the Amendment, because it appears to me so utterly unreasonable that I can hardly believe that the hon. Baronet with his ingenuity would really have even proposed such an Amendment for the consideration of the House. I understand him to say that the sum which is to be paid over to the Irish Exchequer under his Amendment is to be limited to £2,500,000 in any one year, not including any sums which may be raised by the Irish Parliament itself from new or additional taxes, or any saving that may be made through economies in the services reserved to the Imperial Parliament. Let the House clearly understand what that means. We are to collect the whole of the taxes of Ireland, and into our Exchequer there will flow a sum which, on the basis of this year, will amount to £9,400,000. We shall receive into our Exchequer £9,400,000 from Ireland year by year.
§ Mr. JAMES HOPETrue revenue?
§ Mr. HERBERT SAMUELCash, into our Exchequer, year by year. The hon. Baronet puts it forward as a reasonable suggestion that to help the Irish Government to carry on the services which will cost them £6,000,000 a year, out of the £9,000,000 which we receive we are to-hand them back £2,500,000, thereby making by the transaction a profit to ourselves of £6,500,000 a year.
§ Sir F. BANBURYNo, no.
§ Mr. HERBERT SAMUELThat is undoubtedly the effect of the hon. Baronet's Amendment.
§ Sir F. BANBURYThe right hon. Gentleman has made no mention of the cost of the reserved services which is to be defrayed by this country, or of the prior charges, amounting to about £1,500,000, or a total of about £8,000,000.
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§ Mr. HERBERT SAMUELNot the prior charges. With regard to the reserved services, the amount will be about £5,000,000. The total Irish revenue which we receive is £9,000,000; therefore the balance we shall be receiving, apart from the reserved services, is altogether £4,000,000. The hon. Baronet seriously suggests that we should pay over to the Irish people in no year more than £2,500,000. The effect of the Amendment will be that after the passing of Home Rule, while at the present time we contribute for Irish local purposes £1,500,000 per year, in future, under the hon. Baronet's proposal, Ireland, contributing to us £1,500,000 per year, would have a deficit of £3,000,000 upon her annual balance.
§ Sir F. BANBURYThat is not my proposal. My proposal is that it shall be squared; that Ireland shall receive her money and we ours.
§ Mr. HERBERT SAMUELNo. With all due deference to the hon. Baronet that is not the effect which would follow from the acceptance of the Amendment. What would follow would be that under no circumstance could we pay out to the Irish Exchequer more than £2,500,000 a year. As the plan of the Bill is, the whole Irish revenue, amounting to £9,000,000, will go into the Imperial Exchequer. It is therefore obvious to the House, without the necessity for further argument, that the proposal is one that cannot conceivably be accepted. The hon. Baronet has also said that if his Amendment is not accepted the Government, under this Bill, will be enabled—to use his own term—to use the funds of the country to bolster up the Irish Government. The whole of the expenditure from the Imperial Exchequer, under the conditions that will prevail when this Bill is passed, is set out distinctly and clearly in the Bill. There is no possibility for the Government to pay over to Ireland larger sums than distinctly provided for in the various Clauses of the Bill, which specify what the expenditure shall be without having—
§ Sir E. CARSONThere are no figures in this Bill.
§ Mr. HERBERT SAMUELOf course not. It is utterly impossible, as anyone who is at all acquainted with the subject knows, because, as all the world knows, there are no accurate figures in existence—
§ Sir E. CARSONHear, hear.
§ Mr. HERBERT SAMUELOf Irish expenditure, nor are there accurate figures in existence of Irish revenue so far as Customs revenue is concerned, because there are no Customs Houses, and there is no opportunity of obtaining statistics. It is impossible, and has been impossible from the outset, to present to the House accurate figures because they do not and cannot exist. The Bill provides that an authority of repute and weight shall be established consisting of two representatives of the Treasury, two representatives of the Irish Treasury, with a chairman appointed by the King, who shall ascertain these questions of fact—not deal with questions of policy—upon a basis of the fuller returns which will be in our hands under the powers of this Bill. The hon. Baronet in the course of his remarks said he had on very many occasions proposed resolutions of this character. On no occasion has his resolution been carried. The House has always decided against them hitherto, and I trust that on this occasion also the House will follow the same course.
§ Mr. MITCHELL-THOMSONI think the right hon. Gentleman has done less than justice to the effect of the Amendment of my right hon. Friend. He has complained that it was not put on the Paper, but under the conditions in which we are working in these days that course is somewhat difficult. There is a further reason. The right hon. Gentleman said that his finance is largely based upon hypothetical figures. I prefer to say that it is based on guess work. We have endeavoured to get some figures, some actual estimates from the Government, and if the right hon. Gentleman and the Government had seen their way to give figures that I asked for, and in reply to a question which I put on the Paper last Friday, I dare say then, perhaps, my right hon. Friend would have been able to put his Amendment on the Paper. The question that I asked and the form in which I put it on the Paper was this: What is the estimated amount of the prior charges to be deducted from the Transferred Sum before it is paid over in cash? The House will see that the purpose of my right hon. Friend in his Amendment is not to limit the amount placed to the credit of the Irish Government by way of book-keeping, but it is to limit the amount of the Consolidated Fund payment in cash. It is quite a different thing from the Transferred Sum.
§ Mr. HERBERT SAMUELOh, no.
§ Mr. MITCHELL-THOMSONThe right hon. Gentleman says, "Oh, no." Perhaps I put it wrongly. Let me say it is quite a different thing from the transferred cash. It is quite a different thing from the cash which the Irish Government are going to get, because from the Transferred Sum which is to be given to the Irish Government, before it is ever paid over to the Irish Exchequer or the Irish Chancellor gets a penny of it, there are a whole host of deductions to be made. About these deductions we have never had a single figure from the Government. I do not want to discuss the general question in detail on this Amendment. I therefore confine myself to the suggestion of the right hon. Gentleman that when we reach the broader stage of the discussion the right hon. Gentleman should give us some particulars of the estimates of these charges. I will give the House, roughly speaking, the heads of the amounts that I asked for: Imperial revenue, any reduction, or discontinuance of Imperial taxes in Ireland, that under Clause 17, Sub-section (2), is to be deducted from the Transferred Sum. I agree that is a thing you cannot estimate beforehand; therefore I do not press the Government, for an estimate of that. The Surplus Interest and Sinking Fund management under the Irish Debt and under Irish Loans contributed by the new Irish Government; that, again, I agree, you cannot estimate with accuracy beforehand, and I do not press the Government very strongly for an estimate under that head. But there are some other points of these prior charges on which there is really a strong case and in connection with which the Government really ought to have accurate estimates. There is, for instance, charges under the Land Purchase Acts (Clause 18); charges under the Irish Church Temporalities Fund (Clause 20); £5,000 for the Lord Lieutenant's salary (Clause 31); salaries and pensions of the existing judges, of Irish Established Civil Servants (Clause 32); superannuation and other allowances for the existing Irish and non-established Civil servants after the passing of the Act (Clause 33); pensions for the constabulary (Clause 35 and Clause 37, Sub-section (4)).
Seeing, that at the moment I understand the pensions of the constabulary are estimated to amount to something like £400,000, the House will readily see when that one item alone, that one prior charge, is deducted from the Transferred Sum, it will make a very considerable hole in the Transferred Sum.
§ Mr. HERBERT SAMUEL dissented.
§ Mr. MITCHELL-THOMSONThe right hon. Gentleman says "No." He will find that my words will be borne out.
§ Mr. HERBERT SAMUELThe hon. Member is really quite wrong on that point, if I may say so. It is true that after six years the Irish Government will have to pay the pensions of the constabulary, but so long as the constabulary is under Imperial control the Irish Government will have nothing whatever to pay to the constabulary save in regard to the few pensions there are—nothing else.
§ Mr. MITCHELL-THOMSONI agree, but surely the right hon. Gentleman does not think that I am looking at only the first six years after the passing of the Act. I do not know whether the right hon. Gentleman thinks that the Act is only going to continue for six years.
§ Mr. MITCHELL-THOMSONSix minutes! But I will not press that point. Let me refer to my last point. I do press him on this: I put a question on the Paper, and I think that the right hon. Gentleman who is responsible for the financial provisions of the Bill ought to have given me an answer. I suppose the Government will have estimates of these prior charges. What we want to get at is this: What is the sum in cash which will pass from the British Exchequer to the Irish Exchequer? What is the amount that the Irish Exchequer will have to handle when it comes to balance? We have never had an answer to that question.
§ Mr. LOUGHI would like to take your opinion, Mr. Speaker, on a point of Order. It seems to me that this Amendment cannot be in order. I do not think, in the first place, it expresses the view that the hon. Baronet has and which he desires to bring before the House; and, in the second place, it will make nonsense of the Bill, The hon. Gentleman who has just sat down devoted his whole argument to that part of the Resolution which is embodied under head (c). The Amendment does not come there at all.
§ Mr. MITCHELL-THOMSONNo, no.
§ Mr. LOUGHThe hon. Member is labouring under great difficulties; but this Amendment is moved at the end of paragraph (a). It is a very wide paragraph. It raises the payment, as my right hon. 1773 Friend says, of vast sums of money, and it is moved that this Amendment shall be limited to £2,500,000. The right hon. Baronet explains he did not, by his Amendment, mean to touch these moneys dealt with under paragraph (a). He was aiming at the balance.
§ Sir F. BANBURYMay I just explain?
§ Mr. LOUGHWait, please. I will be done in a moment. With great respect I put it that, in the first place, the Amendment would not read in where it is put in; and, in the second place, it does not express the views of the hon. Baronet.
§ Mr. SPEAKERI do not quite follow the right hon. Gentleman. It is perfectly true that this Amendment applies only to paragraph (a), and it is of a limiting character. It says that the money to be paid out of the Consolidated Fund in any one year is not to exceed £2,500,000. I do not express any opinion as to whether or not on its merits this is a suitable Amendment to move or to accept, but I do not see anything from the point of view of Order to deal with.
§ Question put, "That those words be there inserted."
§ The House divided: Ayes, 227; Noes, 206.
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| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Craik, Sir Henry | Ingleby, Holcombe |
| Amery, L. C. M. S. | Crichton-Stuart, Lord Ninian | Jardine, Ernest (Somerset, East) |
| Anson, Rt. Hon. Sir William R. | Croft, H. P. | Joynson-Hicks, William |
| Astor, Waldorf | Dalziel, Davison (Brixton) | Kebty-Fletcher, J. R. |
| Bagot, Lieut.-Colonel J. | Denniss, E. R. B. | Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr |
| Baird, J. L. | Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott | Kerry, Earl of |
| Baker, Sir Randoll L. (Dorset, N.) | Dixon, C. H. | Keswick, Henry |
| Balcarres, Lord | Du Cros, Arthur Philip | Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement |
| Baldwin, Stanley | Duke, Henry Edward | Knight, Captain E. A. |
| Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (City, Lond) | Eyres-Monsell, B. M. | Kyffin-Taylor, G. |
| Baring, Maj. Hon. Guy V. (Winchester) | Faber, George Denison (Clapham) | Lane-Fox, G. B. |
| Barnstan, H. | Faber, Capt. W. V. (Hants, W.) | Larmor, Sir J. |
| Barrie, H. T. | Falle, B. G. | Law, Rt. Hon. A. Bonar (Bootle) |
| Bathurst, Hon. A. E. B. (Glouc., E.) | Fell, Arthur | Lawson, Hon. H. (T. H'mts, Mile End) |
| Bathurst, Charles (Wilts, Wilton) | Fetherstonhaugh, Godfrey | Lee, Arthur Hamilton |
| Beach, Hon. Michael Hugh Hicks | Finlay, Rt. Hon. Sir Robert | Lewisham, Viscount |
| Beckett, Hon, Gervase | Fisher, Rt. Hon. W. Hayes | Lloyd, G. A. |
| Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) | Fitzroy, Hon. E. A. | Locker-Lampson, G. (Salisbury) |
| Bennett-Goldney, Francis | Fleming, Valentine | Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) |
| Bentinck, Lord Henry Cavendish- | Forster, Henry William | Lockwood, Bt. Hon. Lt.-Col. A. R. |
| Beresford, Lord C. | Foster, Philip Staveley | Long, Rt. Hon. Walter |
| Bigland, Alfred | Gardner, Ernest | Lonsdale, Sir John Brownlee |
| Bird, A. | Gastrell, Major W. H. | Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) |
| Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- | Gibbs, G. A. | Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. A. (S. Geo. Han. S.) |
| Boyle, W. Lewis (Norfolk, Mid) | Gilmour, Captain John | MacCaw, William J. MacGeagh |
| Boyton, James | Glazebrook, Captain Philip K. | Mackinder, H. J. |
| Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell | Goldman, C. S. | Macmaster, Donald |
| Bridgeman, William Clive | Gordon, John (Londonderry, South) | M'Mordie, Robert James |
| Bull, Sir William James | Gordon, Hon. John Edward (Brighton) | M'Neill, Ronald (Kent, St. Augustine's) |
| Burdett-Coutts, William | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Magnus, Sir Philip |
| Burgoyne, A. H. | Greene, Walter Raymond | Malcolm, Ian |
| Burn, Colonel C. R. | Gretton, John | Mallaby-Deeley, Harry |
| Butcher, John George | Guinness, Hon. W. E. (Bury S. Edmunds) | Mason, James F. (Windsor) |
| Campbell, Capt. Duncan F. (Ayr, N.) | Haddock, George Bahr | Middlemore, John Throgmorton |
| Campbell, Rt. Hon. J. (Dublin Univ.) | Hall, D. B. (Isle of Wight) | Mills, Hon. Charles Thomas |
| Campion, W. R. | Hall, Fred (Dulwich) | Moore, William |
| Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred | Hambro, Angus Valdemar | Morrison-Bell, Capt. E. F. (Ashburton) |
| Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edward H. | Hamersley, Alfred St. George | Morrison-Bell, Major A. C. (Honiton) |
| Cassel, Felix | Hamilton, Lord C. J. (Kensington) | Mount, William Arthur |
| Castlereagh, Viscount | Hamilton, Marquess of (Londonderry) | Neville, Reginald J. N. |
| Cator, John | Hardy, Rt. Hon. Laurence | Newdegate, F. A. |
| Cautley, H. S. | Harris, Henry Percy | Newman, John R. P. |
| Cave, George | Harrison-Broadley, H. B. | Newton, Harry Kottingham |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Helmsley, Viscount | Nicholson, William G. (Petersfield) |
| Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) | Henderson, Major H. (Berks, Abingdon) | Nield, Herbert |
| Chaloner, Col. R. G. W. | Herbert, Hon. A. (Somerset, S.) | Norton-Griffiths, J. |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hon. J. A. (Worc'r.) | Hewins, William Albert Samuel | O'Neill, Hon. A. E. B. (Antrim, Mid) |
| Chambers, J. | Hickman, Colonel Thomas E. | Orde-Powlett, Hon. W. G. A. |
| Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry | Hill, Sir Clement L. | Ormsby-Gore, Hon. William |
| Clay, Captain H. H. Spender | Hills, John Waller | Parker, Sir Gilbert (Gravesend) |
| Clive, Captain Percy Archer | Hoare, Samuel John Gurney | Parkes, Ebenezer |
| Coates, Major Sir Edward Feetham | Hohler, Gerald Fitzroy | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington) |
| Collings, Bt. Hon. J. (Birmingham) | Hope, Harry (Bute) | Peel, Capt. B. F. (Woodbridge) |
| Cooper, Richard Ashmole | Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) | Perkins, Walter F. |
| Courthope, G. Loyd | Hope, Major J. A, (Midlothian) | Peto, Basil Edward |
| Craig, Charles Curtis (Antrim, S.) | Horne, Wm. E. (Surrey, Guildford) | Pirie, Duncan V. |
| Craig, Ernest (Cheshire, Crewe) | Houston, Robert Paterson | Pole-Carew, Sir R. |
| Craig, Captain James (Down, E.) | Hunt, Rowland | Pryce-Jones, Col. E. |
| Craig, Norman (Kent, Thanet) | Hunter, Sir C. R. | Quilter, Sir William Eley C. |
| Randles, Sir John S. | Stanley, Hon. G. F. (Preston) | Warde, Colonel C. E. (Kent, Mid) |
| Ratcliff, R. F. | Starkey, John Ralph | Weigall, Capt. A. G. |
| Rawlinson, Peel John Frederick | Staveley-Hill, Henry | White, Major G. D. (Lancs., Southport) |
| Rees, Sir J. D. | Steel-Maitland, A. D. | Williams, Col. R. (Dorset, W.) |
| Ronaldshay, Earl of | Stewart, Gershom | Willoughby, Major Hon. Claud |
| Rothschild, Lionel de | Strauss, Arthur (Paddington, North) | Wilson, A. Stanley (Yorks, E.R.) |
| Rutherford, John (Lancs., Darwen) | Sykes, Alan John (Ches., Knutsford) | Winterton, Earl of |
| Salter, Arthur Clavell | Sykes, Mark (Hull, Central) | Wolmer, Viscount |
| Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood) | Talbot, Lord E. | Wood, John (Stalybridge) |
| Sanders, Robert A. | Terrell, George (Wilts, N. W.) | Worthington-Evans, L. |
| Sanderson, Lancelot | Terrell, H. (Gloucester) | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart |
| Sassoon, Sir Philip | Thynne, Lord Alexander | Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George |
| Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) | Touche, George Alexander | Yate, Col. C. E. |
| Smith, Rt. Hon. F. E. (L'p'l, Walton) | Tryon, Captain George Clement | Yerburgh, Robert A. |
| Smith, Harold (Warrington) | Tullibardine, Marquess of | |
| Spear, Sir John Ward | Valentia, Viscount | TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Sir |
| Stanier, Beville | Walrond, Hon. Lionel | Frederick Banbury and Mr. Mitchell- |
| Stanley, Hon. Arthur (Ormskirk) | Ward, Arnold S. (Herts, Watford) | Thomson. |
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| Abraham, William (Dublin, Harbour) | Goddard, Sir Daniel Ford | M'Micking, Major Gilbert |
| Acland, Francis Dyke | Goldstone, Frank | Manfield, Harry |
| Addison, Dr. Christopher | Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) | Marshall, Arthur Harold |
| Ainsworth, John Stirling | Greenwood, Hamar (Sunderland) | Meagher, Michael |
| Asquith, Rt. Hon. Herbert Henry | Greig, Colonel J. W. | Meehan, Francis E. (Leitrim, N.) |
| Baker, H. T. (Accrington) | Griffith, Ellis J. | Menzies, Sir Walter |
| Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) | Gulland, John W. | Millar, James Duncan |
| Baring, Sir Godfrey (Barnstaple) | Gwynn, Stephen Lucius (Galway) | Molloy, M. |
| Barnes, G. N. | Hackett, J. | Molteno, Percy Alport |
| Beale, Sir William Phipson | Hall, F. (Yorks, Normanton) | Money, L. G. Chiozza |
| Beauchamp, Sir Edward | Harcourt, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Rossendale) | Mooney, John J. |
| Beck, Arthur Cecil | Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) | Morgan, George Hay |
| Benn, W. W. (Tower Hamlets, S. Geo.) | Hardie, J. Keir | Morrell, Philip |
| Birrell, Rt. Hon. Augustine | Harvey, A. G. C. (Rochdale) | Morison, Hector |
| Boland, John Pius | Haslam, Lewis (Monmouth) | Muldoon, John |
| Booth, Frederick Handel | Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry | Munro, R. |
| Bowerman, C. W. | Hayden, John Patrick | Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C. |
| Brady, P. J. | Hayward, Evan | Neilson, Francis |
| Brunner, J. F. L. | Hazleton, Richard | Nicholson, Sir Charles N. (Doncaster) |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Henderson, Arthur (Durham) | Nolan, Joseph |
| Byles, Sir William Pollard | Henderson, J M. (Aberdeen, W.) | Norton, Captain Cecil W |
| Cawley, Sir Frederick (Prestwich) | Henry, Sir Charles | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) |
| Cawley, H. T. (Lancs., Heywood) | Higham, John Sharp | O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.) |
| Chancellor, H. G. | Hinds, John | O'Connor, T. P. (Liverpool) |
| Chapple, Dr. William Allen | Hobhouse, Rt. Hon. Charles E. | O'Doherty, Philip |
| Churchill, Rt. Hon. Winston S. | Holmes, Daniel Turner | O'Donnell, Thomas |
| Clancy, John Joseph | Horne, C. Silvester (Ipswich) | O'Dowd, John |
| Clough, William | Hughes, Spencer Leigh | O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow) |
| Collins, G. P. (Greenock) | Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus | O'Kelly, James (Roscommon, N.) |
| Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) | Jones, Rt. Hon. Sir D. Brynmor (Swansea) | O'Malley, William |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Jones, Edgar R. (Merthyr Tydvil) | O'Neill, Dr. Charles (Armagh, S.) |
| Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. | Jones, J. Towyn (Carmarthen, East) | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Cotton, William Francis | Jones, Leif Stratten (Rushcliffe) | O'Sullivan, Timothy |
| Crawshay-William, Eliot | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire) | Outhwaite, R. L. |
| Crooks, William | Jones, W. S. Glyn- (T. H'mts, Stepney) | Philipps, Col. Sir Ivor (Southampton) |
| Crumley, Patrick | Jowett, Frederick William | Phillips, John (Longford, S.) |
| Cullinan, J. | Joyce, Michael | Ponsonby, Arthur A. W. H. |
| Dalziel, Rt. Hon. Sir J. H. (Kirkcaldy) | Keating, Matthew | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) | Kellaway, Frederick George | Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) |
| Davies, M. Vaughan- (Cardigan) | Kelly, Edward | Primrose, Hon. Nell James |
| Dawes, James Arthur | Kennedy, Vincent Paul | Pringle, William M. R. |
| Delany, William | Kilbride, Denis | Radford, George Heynes |
| Denman, Hon. R. D. | King, J. | Raffan, Peter Wilson |
| Dewar, Sir J. A. | Lambert, Richard (Wilts, Cricklade) | Rea, Rt. Hon. Russell (South Shields) |
| Dickinson, W. H. | Lardner, James Carrige Rushe | Reddy, Michael |
| Dillon, John | Leach, Charles | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
| Donelan, Captain A. | Levy, Sir Maurice | Redmond, William (Clare, E.) |
| Doris, W. | Lewis, John Herbert | Redmond, William Archer (Tyrone, E.) |
| Duffy, William J. | Lough, Rt. Hon. Thomas | Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven) |
| Duncan, C. (Barrow-in-Furness) | Low, Sir Frederick (Norwich) | Roberts, Sir J. H. (Denbighs) |
| Edwards, Sir Francis (Radnor) | Lundon, Thomas | Robertson, John M. (Tyneside) |
| Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) | Lynch, A. A. | Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) |
| Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) | Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) | Roche, Augustine (Louth) |
| Falconer, James | Macdonald, J. M. (Falkirk Burghs) | Rowlands, James |
| Farrell, James Patrick | McGhee, Richard | Russell, Rt. Hon. Thomas W. |
| Ferens, Rt. Hon. Thomas Robinson | Maclean, Donald | Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) |
| Ffrench, Peter | Macnamara, Rt. Hon. Dr. T. J. | Samuel, J. (Stockton-on-Tees) |
| Flavin, Michael Joseph | MacNeill, J. G. Swift (Donegal, South) | Scanlan, Thomas |
| George, Rt. Hon. D. Lloyd | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Scott, A. MacCallum (Bridgeton) |
| Ginnell, L. | M'Callum, Sir John M. | Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B |
| Gladstone, W. G. C. | McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald | Sheehy, David |
| Glanville, H. J. | M'Laren, Hon. F. W. S. (Lincs., Spalding) | Simon, Sir John Alisebrook |
| Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe) | Verney, Sir Harry | Whyte A. F. (Perth) |
| Smith, H. B. L. (Northampton) | Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent) | Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.) |
| Soames, Arthur Wellesley | Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan) | Young, Samuel (Cavan, East) |
| Spicer, Rt. Hon. Sir Albert | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) | Yoxall, Sir James Henry |
| Sutherland, J. E. | Webb, H. | |
| Thorne, G. R. (Wolverhampton) | Wedgwood, Josiah C. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. |
| Toulmin, Sir George | White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston) | Illingworth and Mr. Geoffrey Howard. |
| Trevelyan, Charles Philips | Whittaker, Rt. Hon. Sir Thomas P. |
Question put, and agreed to.
§ The PRIME MINISTER and Mr. BONAR LAW rose together—
§ Mr. SPEAKERThe Prime Minister.
§ The PRIME MINISTERI beg to move, "That further consideration of the Resolution, as now amended, be now adjourned."
§ Question put, and agreed to. Resolution, as amended, to be further considered to-morrow (Tuesday).
1778§ The Orders for the remaining Government business were read and postponed.
§ Whereupon Mr. SPEAKER, pursuant to the Order of the House of 14th October, proposed the Question, "That this House I do now adjourn."
§ Adjourned accordingly at Twenty-eight minutes after Four o'clock.