HC Deb 01 December 1911 vol 32 cc946-7

Where for the purposes of this Act the age of any person is required to be proved by the production of a certificate of birth any person shall, on presenting a written requisition in such form and containing such particulars as may be from time to time prescribed by the Local Government Board and on payment of a fee of six pence, be entitled to obtain a certified copy, under the hand of a registrar or superintendent registrar, of the entry in the register under the Births and Deaths Registration Acts, 1836 to 1901, of the birth of that person, and such form of requisition shall on request be supplied without any charge by every registrar and superintendent registrar of births, deaths, and marriages.

Amendment proposed: After the word "Board," insert the words "for England, Scotland, or Ireland, as the case may be."—[Mr. Buxton.]

Question put, "That the Amendment be made."

The House divided: Ayes, 132; Noes, 76.

Division No. 421.] AYES. [4.45 p.m.
Acland, Francis Dyke Donelan, Captain A. Jones, William (Carnarvonshire)
Ainsworth, John Stirling Doris, W. Kennedy, Vincent Paul
Allen, Arthur A. (Dumbarton) Elibank, Rt. Hon. Master of Lambert, George (Devon, S. Molton)
Allen, Charles P. (Stroud) Esmonde, Dr. John (Tipperary, N.) Lawson, Sir W. (Cumb'rl'nd. Cockerm'th)
Anderson, A. M. Esmonde, Sir Thomas (Wexford, N.) Lewis, John Herbert
Atherley-Jones, Llewellyn A. Essex, Richard Walter Low, Sir F. (Norwich)
Baker, H. T. (Accrington) Esslemont, George Birnie Lundon, Thomas
Baker, Joseph Allen (Finsbury, E.) Farrell, James, Patrick Macpherson, James Ian
Balfour, Sir Robert (Lanark) Ferens, T. R. MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Beauchamp, Sir Edward Flavin, Michael Joseph M'Callum, John M.
Boland, John Pius Glanville, Harold James McKenna, Rt. Hon. Reginald
Bryce, J. Annan Greenwood, Granville G. (Peterborough) M'Micking, Major Gilbert
Buckmaster, Stanley O. Greig, Col. J. W. Marshall, Arthur Harold
Burke, E. Haviland- Hackett, John Mason, David M. (Coventry)
Burns, Rt. Hon. John Harcourt, Robert V. (Montrose) Meagher, Michael
Buxton, Rt. Hon. Sydney C. (Poplar) Harmsworth, Cecil (Luton, Beds.) Meehan, Patrick A. (Queen's Co.)
Byles, Sir William Pollard Harvey, T. E. (Leeds, W) Menzies, Sir Walter
Carr-Gomm, H. W. Havelock-Allan, Sir Henry Molloy, M.
Chapple, Dr. William Allen Hayden, John Patrick Mooney, J. J.
Collins, Stephen (Lambeth) Helme, Norval Watson Morton, Alpheus Cleophas
Compton-Rickett, Rt. Hon. Sir J. Henry, Sir Charles S. Muldoon, John
Cornwall, Sir Edwin A. Higham, John Sharp Murray, Captain Hon. Arthur C.
Cotton, William Francis Hinds, John Nannetti, Joseph P.
Craig, Herbert J. (Tynemouth) Howard, Hon. Geoffrey Nicholson, Charles N. (Doncaster)
Crawshay-Williams, Eliot Hughes, Spencer Leigh Nolan, Joseph
Crumley, Patrick Hunter, Wm. (Lanark, Govan) Norton, Capt. Cecil W.
Davies, Timothy (Lincs., Louth) Isaacs, Rt. Hon. Sir Rufus Nugent, Sir Walter Richard
Delany, William Jones, Sir D. Brynmor (Swansea) O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Denman, Hon. Richard Douglas Jones, Edgar (Merthyr Tydvil) O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Devlin, Joseph Jones, Lief Stratten (Notts, Rushcliffe) O'Doherty, Philip
O'Kelly, Edward P. (Wicklow, W.) Robertson, Sir G. Scott (Bradford) Sutherland, J. E.
O'Malley, William Roch, Walter F. (Pembroke) Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E.)
Palmer, Godfrey Mark Roche, Augustine (Louth) Wason, Rt. Hon. E. (Clackmannan)
Pearce, Robert (Staffs., Leek) Roe, Sir Thomas Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney)
Phillips, John (Longford, S.) Rowlands, James Webb, H.
Price, C. E. (Edinburgh, Central) Samuel, Rt. Hon. H. L. (Cleveland) White, J. Dundas (Glasgow, Tradeston)
Priestley, Sir W. E. B. (Bradford, E.) Scanlan, Thomas White, Patrick (Meath, North)
Pringle, William M. R. Schwann, Rt. Hon. Sir C. E. Whitehouse, John Howard
Radford, George Heynes Seely, Col. Rt. Hon. J. E. B. Whyte, Alexander F. (Perth)
Raphael, Sir Herbert H. Sheehy, David Williams, Penry (Middlesbrough)
Rea, Walter Russell (Scarborough) Shortt, Edward Wood, Rt. Hon. T. McKinnon (Glas.)
Reddy, Michael Simon, Sir John Alisebrook Yoxall, Sir James Henry
Richardson, Albion (Peckham) Soames, Arthur Wellesley
Roberts, Charles H. (Lincoln) Spicer, Sir Albert TELLERS FOR THE AYES.—Mr. Gulland and Mr. Wedgwood Benn.
Roberts, Sir J. H. Denbighs) Strauss, Edward A. (Southwark, West)
NOES.
Amery, L. G. M. S. Fletcher, John Samuel (Hampstead) O'Grady, James
Ashley, W. W. Gill, A. H. Paget, Almeric Hugh
Baird, J. L. Gwynne, R. S. (Sussex, Eastbourne) Rawlinson, John Frederick Peel
Barnes, G. N. Hancock, J. G. Richardson, Thomas (Whitehaven)
Beckett, Hon. Gervase Hardie, J. Keir Salter, Arthur Clavell
Benn, Arthur Shirley (Plymouth) Harris, Henry Percy Samuel, Sir Harry (Norwood)
Benn, Ion Hamilton (Greenwich) Hill, Sir Clement L. Smith, Albert (Lancs., Clitheroe)
Boscawen, Sir Arthur S. T. Griffith- Hills, J. W. Snowden, P.
Bowerman, Charles W. Hodge, John Stanley, Albert (Staffs, N. W.)
Boyle, W. L. (Norfolk, Mid.) Hope, James Fitzalan (Sheffield) Stewart, Gershom
Brassey, H. Leonard Campbell Hudson, Walter Sutton, John E.
Bridgeman, W. Clive Hume-Williams, W. E. Thomson, W. Mitchell- (Down, North)
Carlile, Sir Edward Hildred Jowett, F. W. Thynne, Lord A.
Cassel, Felix
Cator, John Kerr-Smiley, Peter Kerr Touche, George Alexander
Cautley, H. S. Kinloch-Cooke, Sir Clement Walsh, Stephen (Lancs., Ince)
Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) Kyffin-Taylor, G. Ward, Arnold S. (Herts, Watford)
Cecil, Lord R. (Herts, Hitchin) Locker-Lampson, O. (Ramsey) Ward, John (Stoke-upon-Trent
Clyde, James Avon Lowe, Sir F. W. (Birm., Edgbaston) Wardle, George J.
Clynes, J. R. Lyell, Charles Henry Wilkie, Alexander
Collins, G. P. (Greenock) MacCaw, Wm. J. MacGeagh Wilson, W. T. (Westhoughton)
Crooks, William Macdonald, J. R. (Leicester) Wood, John (Stalybridge)
Dawes, James Arthur Magnus, Sir Philip Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart-
Denniss, E. R. B. Malcolm, Ian Yate, Col. C. E.
Dickson, Rt. Hon. C. Scott Newdegate, F. A.
Eyres-Monsell, B. M. Newman, John R. P. TELLERS FOR THE NOES.—Mr. C. Duncan and Mr. Goldstone
Fell, Arthur Nield, Herbert

Further Amendments made: After the word "copy" ["certified copy"], insert the words "of the entry of the birth of that person in the births register."

Leave out the word "a" ["of a registrar"], and insert instead thereof the word "the."

Leave out the words "of the entry in the register under the Births and Deaths Registration Acts, 1836 to 1901, of the birth of that person, and such form of," and insert instead thereof the words "having the custody thereof, and forms for such."

Leave out the word "and" ["registrar and superintendent"], and insert instead thereof the words "of births and deaths and by every."

Leave out the words "of births, deaths, and marriages."—[Mr. Lloyd George.]