HC Deb 26 July 1905 vol 150 cc363-9
MR. CHURCHILL (Oldham)

asked for leave to introduce even at that late period of the session a Bill to limit the duration of Parliaments to five years. He submitted that the present condition of things was peculiarly suitable for the favourable consideration of any plan for shortening the duration of Parliaments. Under the Septennial Act we enjoyed a longer tenure of Government without appeal to the constituencies than almost every other European country. Some of our greatest and most illustrious statesmen, among them Lord Chatham and Lord Broughham, had strongly urged the curtailment of the period now prescribed. In practice the duration had teen a great deal less than the maximum allowed. The Parliaments of the last century had lasted on an average less than five years—the limit he proposed. His proposal was, therefore, not one to alter the general practice of the country, but to provide and guard against certain special and peculiar circumstances which might arise from time to time.

In former years the two vital functions of the House—its representative character and the controlling influence which it exercised upon the Government—had been preserved by a number of practical and effective checks. There was a check afforded by the possible intervention of the Crown, either by dismissing Ministers from office or by dissolving Parliament, There was also the check provided by a great number of Members who represented family, or pocket, boroughs, and who, however unsatisfactory from one point of view, undoubtedly gave an element of absolute independence to the House. Lastly, there was the check of public opinion, which at some periods of our history had proved very powerful, and had exercised a kind of moral restraint upon the Government of the day. All these checks which the wisdom of our ancestors had devised, and the practice of former times assured, had gradually fallen into weakness or desuetude. The Crown acted only upon advice, and when it was a question of the dismissal of Ministers or the dissolution of Parliament that advice was not always forthcoming. Independent Members were gradually, irresistibly absorbed in the great political organisations, which grew in strength every succeeding year, and public opinion was concealed and often distorted by the ever-spreading ramifications of a vast and combined syndicated newspaper Press. There remained of all these checks only one which was now effective—the check established by the House of Lords, which, if it operated at all, operated only when one political Party was in power. Now that the checks had been removed, it might easily happen that a Government might continue in power long after confidence had been withdrawn from it by the country. The Ministers themselves might earnestly and honestly desire to be relieved from duties which they were no longer discharging to their own satisfaction nor to the satisfaction of the public, and yet, so strong might be the pressure of the instinct of self-preservation upon them, that, by a strange inversion, the very circumstances which ought to procure a dissolution might prevent it.

The House must remember the increasing power of the Executive and the decline of Parliamentary authority. Our Parliamentary procedure had been adapted to the rigid precision of foreign models. Our constitution still preserved the generous vagueness for which it was famous. We had borrowed from foreign nations almost every device which could weaken a representative institution; we had rejected almost every safeguard which could control the Executive Government. Contrary to the practice of early days, every vote which was taken was regarded as a vote of confidence in the Government, except, apparently, a vote upon which the Government was defeated. The prolongation of Parliament in such circumstances might very easily produce very grave dangers to the State. Ministers, how ever able and industrious they might be when they came into office, could not fail to be exhausted by many years of the ever-increasing severity of official business under modern conditions. There was at the fag-end of Parliament a growth, an accumulation, of bitterness and personal feud which, under his proposal, would be swept away by one appeal to the mation, when an entirely new House would be brought together. There was in long Parliaments increased exacerbation of Party spirit both in and out of the House, and most of all there was danger of some tremendous explosion of popular feeling, the result of passions long suppressed and pent up, and which, when it came, not infrequently created evils almost as many as it cured. The ever-increasing facilities of locomotion

would render general elections much more easy than in former times. He earnestly hoped that the House would allow him to introduce this measure even at this late period of the session, in order to bring the question of shorter Parliaments a little nearer to the arena of practical political discussion.

Motion made, and Question put, "That leave be given to bring in a Bill to limit the duration of Parliaments to five years."—(Mr. Churchill.)

The House divided:—Ayes, 176; Noes,239. (Division list No. 311)

AYES.
Abraham, William (Cork, N. E. Dunn, Sir William Lloyd-George, David
Ainsworth, John Stirling Elibank, Master of Lyell, Charles Henry
Allen, Charles P. Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas MacNeill, John Gordon Swift
Ashton, Thomas Gair Ellis, John Edward (Notts.) MacVeagh, Jeremiah
Atherley-Jones, L. Esmonde, Sir Thomas M'Fadden, Edward
Baker, Joseph Allen Farrell, James Patrick M'Hugh, Patrick A.
Barlow, John Emmott Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith) M'Kenna, Reginald
Barran, Rowland Hirst Ffrench, Peter M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North)
Barry, E. (Cork, S.) Field, William M Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire) Findlay, Alexander (Lanark, N Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh. N.
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B. Flavin, Michael Joseph Mooney, John J.
Black, Alexander William Flynn, James Christopher Morley, Rt. Hon. John(Montrose
Boland, John Fowler, Rt. Hon. Sir Henry Moss, Samuel
Brigg, John Fuller, J. M. F. Muldoon, John
Brown, George M. (Edinburgh) Furness, Sir Christopher Murnaghan, George
Bryce, Rt. Hon. James Gilhooly, James Murphy, John
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn Gladstone, Rt. Hn. HerbertJohn Nannetti, Joseph P.
Burke, E. Haviland- Goddard, Daniel Ford Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.
Burt, Thomas Grant, Corrie Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)
Buxton, NE. (York, NR, Whitby Gurdon Sir W. Brampton Nussey, Thomas Willans
Buxton, SydneyCharles(Poplar Hammond John O'Brien, Kendal(TipperaryMid
Caldwell, James Harcourt, Lewis O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) Hardie, J. Keir(Merthyr Tydvil O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H. Harmsworth, R. Leicester O'Connor, John (Kildare, N.)
Causton, Richard Knight Harrington, Timothy O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)
Calley, Frederick Hayden. John Patrick O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
Chance, Frederick William Helme, Norval Watson O'Dowd, John
Channing, Francis Allston Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H. O'Kelly, Conor (Mayo, N.)
Cheetham, John Frederick Henderson, Arthur (Durham) O'Malley, William
Clancy, John Joseph Higham, John Sharp O'Mara, James
Cogan, Denis J. Holland, Sir William Henry O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Condon, Thomas Joseph Humphreys-Owen, Arthur C. O'Shee, James John
Crombie, John William Hutchinson, Dr. Charles Fredk Partington Oswald
Crooks, William Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley) Perks, Robert William
Cullinan, J. Jacoby, James Alfred Philipps, John Wynford
Dalziel, James Henry. Jones, DavidBrynmor(Swansea Power, Patrick Joseph
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan) Jones, Leif (Appleby) Reddy, M.
Delany, William Jones, William(Carnarvonshire Redmond, John E. (Waterford
Devlin, CharlesRamsay(G'lway Jordan, Jeremiah Reid, Sir R. Threshie(Dumfries
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.) Kennedy, VincentP. (Cavan, W. Richards, Thomas
Dewar, John A. (Inverness-sh) Kilbride, Denis Rickett, J. Compton
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles Lamont, Norman Roberts, John H. (Denbighs)
Dillon, John Langley, Batty Robertson, Edmund (Dundee)
Donelan, Captain A. Lawson, Sir Wilfrid (Cornwall) Roche, Augustine (Cork)
Doogan, P. C. Layland-Barratt, Francis Roche, John (Galway, East)
Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) Leese, SirJosephF. (Accrington Rose, Sir Thomas
Duffy, William J. Leigh, Sir Joseph Rose, Charles Day
Duncan, J. Hastings Levy, Maurice Russell, T. W.
Samuel, HerbertL. (Cleveland) Thomas, DavidAlfred(Merthyr) Whiteley, George (York, W. R-)
Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln) Thomas, JA(Glamorgan, Grower Whitely, J. H. (Halifax)
Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) Tomkinson, James Williams, Osmond (Merioneth)
Sheehy, David Toulmin, George Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.
Shipman, Dr. John G. Wallace, Robert Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) Warner, Thomas Courtenay T. Wood, James
Soares, Ernest J. Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan Woodhouse, SirJT. (Huddersfd
Spencer, Rt. Hn. CR. (Northants Wason, JohnCathcart(Orkney) Young, Samuel
Strachey, Sir Edward Weir, James Galloway
Sullivan, Donal White, George (Norfolk) TELLERS FOR THE AYES—
Tennant, Harold John White, Luke (York, E. R.) Mr. Churchill and Mr.
Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.) White, Patrick (Meath, North) Trevelyan.
NOES
Agg-Gardner, James Tynte Davies, SirHoratioD. (Chatham Hornby, Sir William Henry
Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel Denny, Colonel Hoult, Joseph
Allhusen, AugustusHenryEden Dickinson, Robert Edmond Howard, John(Kent, Favresham
Anson, Sir William Reynell Dickson, Charles Scott Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham
Arkwright, John Stanhohe Dixon-Hartland, SirFred. Dixon Hozier, Hon. James HenryCecil
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. Hugh 0. Dorington, Rt. Hon. SirJohn E. Hudson, George Bickersteth
Arrol, Sir William Doughty, Sir George Hunt, Rowland
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- Jeffreys, Rt. Hon. Arthur Fred
Aubrey-Fletcher, Rt. Hon. SirH. Doxford, Sir William Theodore Jessel, Captain Herbert Merton
Bagot, Capt. Josceline FitzRoy Duke, Henry Edward Kennaway, Rt. Hon. SirJohnH.
Bailey, James (Walworth) Egerton, Hon. A. de Tatton Kenyon, Hon. Geo. T. (Denbigh)
Bain, Colonel James Robert Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W. Kimber, Sir Henry
Baird, John George Alexander Faber, George Denison (York) Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm.
Balcarres, Lord Fellowes, RtHnAilwyn Edward Law, Anderw Bonar (Glasgow)
Baldwin, Alfred Fergusson, Rt. Hn. SirJ. (Manc'r Lawson, Hn. H. L. W. (MileEnd)
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J. (Manch'r Finch, Rt. Hon. George H. Lee, ArthurH. (Hants, Fareham
Balfour, RtHnGeraldW. (Leeds Finlay, RtHn SirRB. (Inv'rn'ss Lees, Sir Elliot (Birkenhead)
Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. Firbank, Sir Joseph Thomas Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Banbury, Sir Frederick George Fisher, William Hayes Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S-
Banner, John S. Harmood- Fitzgerald, Sir Robert Penrose- Lindell, Henry
Bentinck, Lord Henry C. Fitzroy, Hon. EdwardAlgernon Llewellyn, Evan Henry
Bignold, Sir Arthur Flannery, Sir Fortescue Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham
Bigwood, James Flower, Sir Ernset Long, Rt. Hn. Walter(Bristol, S
Bingham, Lord Forster, Henry William Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Blundell, Colonel Henry Foster, Philip S. (Warwick, S. W Loyd, Archie Kirkman
Bond, Edward Galloway, William Johnson Lucas, Col. Francis(Lowestoft)
Boscawen, Arthur Griffith- Gardner, Ernest Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth.
Brassey, Albert Garfit, William Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred
Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John Godson, SirAugustus Frederick Macdonna, John Cumming
Brotherton, Edward Allen Gordon, J. (Londonderry, S.) Maclver, David (Liverpool)
Brymer, William Ernest Gordon, MajEvans-(Tr'Hmlets Maconochie, A. W.
Bull, William James Goschen, Hon. George Joachim M'lver, SirLewis(EdinburghW
Burdett-Coutts, W. Goulding, Edward Alfred M'Killop, James (Stirlingshiie
Campbell; Rt, Hn. J. A. (Glasgow Graham,Henry Robert Malcolm, Ian
Campbell, J. H. M. (DublinUniv. Gray, Ernest (West Ham) Manners, Lord Cecil
Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. Greene, Henry D. (Shrewsbury) Marks, Harry Hananel
Cautley, Henry Strother Grenfell, William Henry Martin, Richaid Biddulph
Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire Gretton, John Massey-Mainwaring, Hn. W. F
Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) Greville, Hon. Ronald Maxwell, RtHn Sir HE. (Wigt'n
Chamberlain, RtHn. JA. (Wore. Guthrie, Walter Murray Melville, Beresford Valentine
Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton Halsey, Rt. Hon. Thomas F. Middlemore, JohnThrogmorton
Chapman, Edward Hamilton, RtHn. Lord G. (Mid Mildmay, Francis Bingham
Clive, Captain Percy A. Hamilton, Marq. of (L'nd'derry Milvain, Thomas
Cochrane, Hon. Thomas H. A. E Hardy, Laurence(Kent, Ashford Mitchell, William (Burnley)
Coddington, Sir William Hare, Thomas Leigh Molesworth, Sir Lewis
Coghill, Douglas Harry Harris, L. Leverton(Tynem'th Montagu, Hon. J. Scott (Hants.
Cohen, Benjamin Louis Haslam, Sir Alfred Morgan, DavidJ. (Walthamstow
Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse Hay, Hon. Claude George Morpeth, Viscount
Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole Heath, Arthu rHoward(Hanley Morrell, George Herbert
Corbett, A. Cameron (Glasgow) Heath, SirJames(Staffords. NW Morrison, James Archibald
Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) Heaton, John Henniker Morton, Arthur H. Ayimer
Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge Helder, Sir Augustus Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C
Craig, CharlesCurtis(Antrim, S. Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. Muriay, Charles J. (Coventry)
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile Hermon-Hcdge, Sir Robert T. Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
Dalkeith, Earl of Hill, Henry Staveley Myers, William Henry
Dalrymple, Sir Charles Hoare, Sir Samuel Nicholson, William Graham
Davenport, William Bromley; Hope, J. F. (Shemeld, Brightside O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Palmer, Sir Walter (Salisbury) Round, Rt. Hon. James Tuke, Sir John Batty
Parkes, Ebenezer Royds, Clement Molyneux Turnour, Viscount
Pease, HerbertPike(Darlington Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool) Walker, Col. William Hall
Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley Sadler, Col. Sir Samuel Alex. Walrond, Rt, Hn. SirWilliam H.
Percy, Earl Samuel, Sir HarryS. (Limehouse Welby, Lt.-Col.A.C.E.(Taunton
Pierpoint, Robert Saunderson, Rt. HmCol. Edw. J. Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts.)
Pilkington, Colonel Richard Sharpe, William Edward T. Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Platt-Higgins, Frederick Shaw-Stewart, Sir H. (Eenfrew Williams, Colonel E. (Dorset)
Plummer, Sir Walter E. Sinclair, Louis (Romtord) Willoughby de Eresby (Lord
Powell, Sir Francis Sharp Sloan, Thomas Henry Wills, SirFrederiek(Bristol, N.)
Pretyman, Ernest George Smith, H.C. (North'mbTyneside Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R.
Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward Smith, Hon. W. F. D. (Strand) Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Purvis, Robert Stanley, Hon. Arthur)Ormskirk Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H. (Yorks.)
Eankin, Sir Sames Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs.) Wolff, Gustav Wilhelni
Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart Worsley-Taylor, Henry Wilson
Ratcliff, E. F. Stone, Sir Benjamin Wrightson, Sir Thomas
Reid, James (Greenock Stroyan, John Wylie, Alexander
Remnant, James Farquharson Talbot, Lord E. (Chichester) Wyndham, Rt, Hon. George
Renshaw, Sir Charles Bine Talbot, Rt. Hn. J.G. (OxfdUniv Wyndham-Quin, Col. W. H.
Renwick, George Thorburn, Sir Walter Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong
Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson Thornton, Percy W.
Rolleston, Sir John F. L. Tollemache, Henry James TELLERS FOR THE NOES—
Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye Tomlinson, SirWm. Edw. M. Sir Alexander Acland-Hood
Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert Tuff, Charles. and Viscount Valentia

Question put, and agreed to.