§ Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the customs duty now charged on tea shall continue to be charged until the 1st day of August, 1903 (that is to say):—
§ Tea … … the pound Sixpence."—(Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer.)
§ (10.53.) MR. SWIFT MACNEILLsaid that tea in Great Britain, on account of the better scale of living of the people, was not a necessary but a luxury, whereas in many parts of Ireland it was an absolute necessary. The reason was perfectly clear. In Ireland the people were reduced to a fare which was practically starvation fare, and was literally only sufficient to keep body and soul together. 368 When a family had only Indian meal, sometimes without milk, a little tea became a necessary as a stimulant to enable them to go back to their work again, and it was cruel that tea, used in such circumstances, should be taxed. The English people were not a nimble-minded people, and it was very difficult for them to understand any conditions of life in which they themselves had not been placed. It was quite impossible for them to know what it was to feel really hungry. Why, the whole lives of many people in Ireland were passed in a chronic state of unsatisfied hunger. He felt very strongly on the matter, because he represented one of the Divisions of Donegal which was largely composed of congested districts, and where the population was very poor, and even at the best of times in want of the actual necessaries of life. He felt that to tax a necessary of life was little short of an act of cruelty. The House of Commons had shown itself wholly insensible to shame in dealing with Irish questions, especially the question of the financial relations. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had shown by his absence his utter contempt for the Irish people.
§ MR. AUSTEN CHAMBERLAINThe Chancellor of the Exchequer asked me particularly, during his brief absence, to take note of what the hon. Member would say, and to report it to him.
§ Mr. SWIFT MACNEILLsaid he was glad of that. The Chancellor of the Exchequer was one of the most conciliatory of the Gentlemen on the Treasury Bench, and he had always treated the right hon. Gentleman with respect. He felt it his duty as a representative of the people to show to the Committee, and through the Committee to the public, the absolute necessity of enabling congested districts in Ireland to have cheap tea. Evidence was given before the Royal Commission 369 on the Financial Relations by the person who of all others was best acquainted with the wants and daily lives of the poor people in the congested districts of Donegal. He meant the Most Rev. Dr. O'Donnell, Bishop of Raphoe, whose character, services, and benevolence had been admitted by the Government who appointed him a member of the Congested Districts Board. Dr. O'Donnell supplied the Commission with a budget of a Donegal peasant's expenditure. He might perhaps tell the Committee that a Catholic Bishop was intimately acquainted with the wants, feelings, and wishes of the very poorest of the people. He was quite unlike an English Bishop. It he himself wanted to know anything of the habits of the people, he would inquire of a Catholic Bishop, whereas, if he wished to know something of the aristocracy, he would ask an English Bishop. The gentleman who was examining Dr. O'Donnell was Sir David Barbour, who gave such a rosy description of the Transvaal gold mines. In his evidence Dr. O'Donnell said that the Irish farmer with a valuation of under £10 was practically a vegetarian from year's end to year's end. He further said that a substantial part of the food of the poorer people in the congested districts consisted of potatoes, and when the supply of potatoes failed, the main article of food was Indian meal, sometimes with a little milk, oftentimes not; and he added that that stirabout had a great deal to do with the large use of tea in the poorer parts of the country.
When (he continued) a man is pretty hard worked and has for his dinner only potatoes or stirabout, a little tea with some bread is really a necessary of life in order to enable him to go back to his task with anything like spirit. It was not unusual to have tea and bread either as a supplement to the food I have described, or as a substitute for it.Did the Chancellor of the Exchequer think, as between man and man, that it was lair to tax an absolute necessary of life, such as Dr. O' Donnell had described? Dr. O'Donnell further said that in Donegal duty was chiefly paid on tea and tobacco, and that, except in the towns, the people did not drink at all. The only stimulant the poor people in 370 the congested districts had was tea, and for that they were taxed just like the millionaires and the well-fed working men of England. Could hon. Members by any effort imagine a family of five with a total income of something like £25 a year, and of that, according to Dr. O'Donnell, no less than, £5 was spent on tea as an absolute necessity of life. He would quote a very forcible observation by Dr. O'Donnell in his evidence. He was asked if the scarcity of milk had anything to do with the introduction of tea. And he replied—Undoubtedly. You see, it is very difficult even for the poor to consume potatoes and water, or stirabout and water, and sometimes tea and bread accompany the meal. They need something like a drink of tea to make them forget their bad meal and put them in humour for work again.He quite realised that the great difficulty in this matter was that the Irish people were united to the English people, who had consistently robbed them. As long as he had the honour of a seat in the House of Commons he would protest against the persistent, cruel, and heartless robbery of the people of Ireland by English statesmen, and English financiers, although hon. Members would that night record their votes in favour of a tax on an article which had become a necessary of life in many parts of Ireland owing to the poverty of the people, which poverty had been created by the British Government. The Irish Members not only protested against the war for which the tax would be used, but they also protested against the tax itself. There was no doubt that it was morally wrong. The Committee had no right to tax an article of food of the people when the representatives of the people protested against it. The whole system of Government in Ireland, especially in its fiscal relations, was a system of fraud. [HON. MEMBERS: "Divide, divide!"] He was grieved to think that hon. Members were unable to tolerate an Irish Member when he spoke of the grievances of his country. The manner in which the Irish Members were interrupted made it rather difficult for them to address the House, and he doubted whether it was a place where an Irish Gentleman ought to be at all. He would put it to the Chancellor of the Exchequer if it was proper, as between man and man, to put a tax on tea, which was an absolute necessary of life for poor people whose only food was Indian 371 meal at the best of times. That was against all the laws of political economy. The Chancellor of the Exchequer knew very well that from the days of Adam Smith downwards every political economist was agreed that no taxation should be levied on anyone until first of all he was able to live. If tea were a necessary of life to the English people, the tax would not be imposed, and he for one would strongly protest against it as an act of fiscal robbery.
§ (11.10.) MR. FIELDsaid his hon. friend had opposed the tax on certain grounds, but he would take up another position. As a temperance man he entirely objected to increased taxation on tea. He knew very we I that certain hon. Members regarded the financial relations between England and Ireland as being based on the equality of taxation. That was not so, and that fact had been recognised by former Parliaments. If he had read the history of the tea tax correctly, it appeared that up to 1874 it was much greater in Eng land than in Ireland. The fact was that the English people did not even then use tea to the same extent as the Irish people, and the latest statistics showed that the consumption of tea per head in Ireland was half as much again as what it was in England. Therefore, identity of impost meant a much larger taxation on Ireland than on England. If he remembered aright, when the Chancellor of the Exchequer introduced the tax, he gave a kind of a promise that it would be reduced as soon as possible, and he thought the time would come when effect should be given to that promise, although he agreed that it was very difficult to differentiate taxation as between Eng-land and Ireland. There were special circumstances, however, connected with the tea tax. Undoubtedly the taxation of an article had a large influence on its consumption, except, perhaps, in the case of spirits. In America, when the taxation of tea was largely increased, the consumption fell; and when the taxation was reduced, the consumption largely increased. That was a natural consequence in almost every country in the world, and, taking that fact into consideration, and also the facts mentioned by his hon. friends, he thought that the tax should be reduced. He took a stand as regarded 372 that particular article, because he believed that tea drinkers, as a rule, were not fond of alcoholic liquors. Sober people were generally thrifty, and people who drank tea and not whisky generally succeeded well. The population of Ireland had been decreasing, while the taxation was increasing, and the increasing taxation was falling not only on a lessening population, but on sections of the community who were not able to bear increased burdens. The emigrants were mainly the bone and sinew of the country. There were left behind the old, the infirm, the lame, the blind, and the pauper. The Imperial taxation of Ireland last year amounted to over £11,000,000 on a diminishing population of 4,500,000. The Chancellor of the Exchequer was a fair-minded man, who was willing to do what was right and reasonable by the three countries, and he hoped the right hon. Gentleman would recognise that that tax pressed unduly on Ireland, and that there ought to be some special rebate, or some other means devised, whereby the burden could be reduced, especially having regard to the fact that the article taxed was much more largely consumed in Ireland than in England. He thought the question was one which had a special claim on the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and he maintained that he had made out a case which demanded the serious consideration of the right hon. Gentleman, and he trusted he would be able to hold out some hope that the tax would be reduced. He thought the Irish Members were entitled to some consideration in the matter, and he would move that the tax be reduced from 6d. to 4d.
§
Amendment proposed—
To leave out the word 'Sixpence,' and insert the word 'Fourpence.'"—(Mr. Field.)
§ Question proposed, "That the word 'Sixpence' stand part of the proposed Resolution."
§ *(11.20.) Sir M. HICKS BEACHI am not quite sure whether the hon. Member who has just sat down, and the hon. Member who preceded him, have not in their minds some idea that, by this Resolution, I am increasing the present 373 tax on tea. That is not the fact. It is I simply the continuation of the existing tax for another year.
§ * SIR M. HICKS BEACHBoth hon. Members have very fairly admitted that I can hardly be expected to assent to any reduction of the existing tax, and they also, equally fairly, admitted that any differentiation in this tax as between Great Britain and Ireland is hardly practicable. Therefore. I am afraid, having regard to the great revenue from tea, I must resist the Motion of the hon. Member. But in doing so, I may admit that the hon. Member for South Donegal, who undoubtedly represents a very poor population, has greater reason than many hon. Members to object to the tax on tea. But, of course, there is a poor population in Great Britain as well as in Ireland. The tea tax is a tax that certainly does affect the poor more than the classes who are better off. I quite admit that, but even the poor ought to pay something towards taxation. This is a tax which hon. Members who have spoken appear to think presses very heavily upon them, and more heavily now than before. If any hon. Member will examine the course of the price of tea in the last few years, I do not think he will find that it bears out that idea. No doubt the tax has been increased from 4d. to 6d.; but when that increase was made the enormous crop of tea so brought down the price of the article that I believe practically little of the tax reached the consumer here. The price of tea now, I suppose, is almost lower than it has been in previous years, and therefore the extreme burden which is supposed to have been placed upon the poor as compared with former times is really a matter of the imagination. No doubt this is a tax which presses upon the poor, but I think it is necessary that it should remain at 6d.—at any rate for the present. As for the future, I cannot speak until the situation is such that reduction of taxation appears to be possible. At present, all I have to do 374 is to endeavour to find means of raising money which are not objectionable to Parliament and the people. Reductions I must dismiss, and I fear that that can be my only answer to hon. Members opposite.
(11.27.) MR. BROADHUEST (Leicester)protested against the doctrine laid down by the Chancellor of the Exchequer that if an article of general consumption on the part of the poor became cheaper by increased production or some other cause he had a right to take the whole of that advantage for the benefit of the revenue and to save the pockets of the rich. The right hon. Gentleman had put forward theories which he ought to be ashamed to propound, because he was really capable of better things. He had been led into these fallacies by his evil associations. His idea seemed to be that unless the poor paid these enormous taxes on tea and similar articles they would pay no taxes at all. Agricultural labourers, earning 12s. a week, had to pay 6d. per pound on an article of which, next to bread, they consumed more than of any other taxable article, and the right hon. Gentleman contended that unless they no paid that 6d. they would be making contribution to the welfare of the State. Was not the Chancellor of the Exchequer aware that this class made a contribution which millionaires and the well-to-do classes did not make in any measure whatsoever? It was the class that cultivated the soil of the country and provided the fighting material for the Army and Navy. Such a class ought to be exempted from these extraordinary and severe fines—he could not call them taxes—which were levied for the purpose of carrying on wars and ventures in various parts of the world for the special interest and profit of a particular class. He could not expect a great and mighty Chancellor to remember the speeches of a humble individual like himself, but if the right hon. Gentleman would instruct one of his myrmidons to look up the reports of previous debates he would find that he had always opposed the tea tax.
§ * SIR M. HICKS BEACHI remember hearing the same speech from the hon. Gentleman for seven years past.
§ MR. BROADHURSTsaid the right hon. Gentleman was extremely kind and indulgent in his admission. If, however, he remained Chancellor for the next seven years, and remained as wicked, he would still hear the same speech. There was no reflection in delivering the same speech if the same causes continued to exist. Let the Chancellor of the Exchequer remove the cause, and he would not again hear the speech. But, after all, he also had heard the same speech for the same number of years from the right hon. Gentleman himself; in fact, his speeches were becoming intolerably the same. If the Tory Government would make him (the hon. Member) Chancellor of the Exchequer for one year only, he would promise to find something new and original, which the present Chancellor had never attempted to do. He could only say that in delivering the same speech, he had followed a most distinguished example, and he was in no way ashamed of having copied so great a man. But seriously, with regard to this tax, he voted against the 4d., he voted against the 6d., and he should vote against its continuance, because the very poor were the people who most depended upon tea for their daily drink. The rural population, more than any other class, were exposed to the dangers to health arising from impure water. But in every cup of tea they drank, and in every bottle of tea they took with them into the fields, the water had been boiled, and that was a great sanitary security for the health of the people. The Government ought to encourage the taking of such precautions, however small and unimportant they might appear to the rich. If the Chancellor of the Exchequer had been left alone, if he had not been contaminated by his surroundings or associated with the Party which had formulated the Tory policy of the last three years, he would never have made these proposals. When he first knew the Chancellor of the Exchequer the right hon. Gentleman had spikes in his boots which he used on the down grade of the 376 fair trade movement. The right hon. Gentleman's associations had worn down the sharp points of those spikes, and he-was now unable to stop even himself or to arrest his progress on the down grade. It was to be hoped that this matter would be pressed home, and that it would be brought to the notice of the people that in the great work of Empire-building, as some described it—although others called it Empire destroying—the Government were bemeaning themselves by imposing upon the shoulders of the worst-paid class of the community a tax which was larger, heavier, and more unbearable than the income tax levied upon the well-to-do classes. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had charged him with having made the same speech every year for seven years. All he had to say was that he would continue to make the same speech every year as long as the Chancellor of the Exchequer continued to offer to this House his sophistries with regard to the justice of this tea duty, and to the necessity of making the labourers pay so much towards the taxation of this country. The labourers had paid their share in blood and misery and life-long suffering which the Chancellor of the Exchequer had done nothing to mitigate. On the contrary, he had squandered his income in other directions and left the poor people where he found them. Not only this but he left them, worse off in the matter of taxation upon corn and flour and in other respects. And in the face of all this the right hon. Gentleman got up and interrupted a poor private Member by telling him that he had heard the same speech for seven years past. He had voted against this tax every year for the last twenty-two years, and he should vote against it upon that occasion with even more confidence and greater determination than he had done upon any previous occasion.
§ (11.45.) Question put.
§ The Committee divided:—Ayes, 228; Noes, THE (Division List No. 114.)
367| AYES. | ||
| Acland-Hood, Capt, Sir Alex. E. | Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire | Elibank, Master of |
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Cawley, Frederick | Evans, Sir Francis H (Maidstone |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) |
| Allan, William (Gateshead) | Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J. (Birm. | Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward |
| Allen, Chas. P. (Glouc., Stroud) | Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r | Fenwick, Charles |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Chamberlayne, T. (S'thampton | Fergusson, Rt Hn Sir J. (Manc'r |
| Archdale, Edward Mervyn | Channing, Francis Allston | Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Chapman, Edward | Finch, George H. |
| Arnold-Forster. Hugh O. | Charrington, Spencer | Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne |
| Arrol, Sir William | Clare, Octavius Leigh | Fisher, William Hayes |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Clive, Captain Percy A. | Flower, Ernest |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Coghili, Douglas Harry | Forster, Henry William |
| Bagot, Capt. Josceline Fitz Roy | Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Foster, Sir Michael (Lon. Univ. |
| Bailey, Jarmes (Walworth) | Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse | Foster, Phil. S. (Warwick, S. W. |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole | Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.) |
| Baird, John George Alexander | Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Fuller, J. M. F. |
| Balcarras, Lord | Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge | Furness, Sir Christopher |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r | Craig, Robert Hunter | Gardner, Ernest |
| Balfonr, Rt Hn Gerald W (Leeds | Cranborne, Viscount | Gibbs, Hn A. G. H (City of Lond. |
| Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. | Cripps, Charles Alfred | Goddard, Daniel Ford |
| Banbury, Frederick George | Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) | Gordon, Hn J. E (Elgin & Nairn) |
| Beach, Rt Hn Sir Michael Hicks | Crossley, Sir Savile | Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon |
| Bhownaggree, Sir M. M. | Dalkeith, Earl of | Goulding, Edward Alfred |
| Bignold, Arthur | Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Grant, Corrie |
| Bigwood, James | Davenport, William Bromley- | Green, Walford D. (Wedn'sbury |
| Bill, Charles | Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) | Gretton, John |
| Black, Alexander William | Davies, Sir Horatio D (Chatham | Griffith, Ellis J. |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan | Gurdon, Sir W. Brampton |
| Bond, Edward | Dickinson, Robert Edmond | Guthrie, Walter Murray |
| Boscawen, Arthur Gritlith- | Dickson, Charles Scott | Hall, Edward Marshall |
| Brassey, Albert | Dickson-Poynder, Sir John P. | Hambro, Charles Eric |
| Brigg, John | Dorington, Sir John Edward | Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G (Mid'x. |
| Brook field, Colonel Montagu | Doughty, George | Hamilton, Marq. of (Londond'y |
| Brotherton, Edward Allen | Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Win. |
| Burns, John | Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark) | Hardy, Laurence (Kent Ashford |
| Butcher, John George | Doxford, Sir William Theodore | Hare, Thomas Leigh |
| Buxton, Sydney Charles | Duke, Henry Edward | Harmsworth, K. Leicester |
| Caldwell, James | Duncan, J. Hastings | Haslam, Sir Alfred S. |
| Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. | Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin | Hatch, Ernest Frederick Geo. |
| Hayne, Rt Hon. Charles Seale- | Mitchell, William | Shaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew- |
| Heath, Jas. (Staffords. N. W.) | Molesworth, Sir Lewis | Simeon, Sir Barrington |
| Helder, Augustus | More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire | Skewes-Cox. Thomas |
| Hermon-Hodge, Robt. Trotter | Morgan, Dav. J. (Walthamstow | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) |
| Hickman, Sir Alfred | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen) | Smith, H. C (North'd, Tyneside. |
| Hoare, Sir Samuel | Morrison, James Archibald | Smith, Jas. Parker (Lanarks.) |
| Hobhouse, C. E. H (Bristol E.) | Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford | Soames, Arthur Wellesley |
| Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset, E. | Moss, Samuel | Spear, John Ward |
| Hogg, Lindsay | Moulton, John Fletcher | Spencer, Rt Hn C. R. (Northants |
| Holland, William Henry | Mount, William Arthur | Stanley, Edw. Jas. (Somerset) |
| Hope, J. F. (Sheffi'd, Brightside | Mowbray, Sir Robert Gray C. | Stanley, Lord (Lancs.) |
| Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | Murray, Rt Hn A. Graham (Bute | Stewart, Sir Mark J. M' Taggart |
| Hoult, Joseph | Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) | Stone, Sir Benjamin |
| Houston, Robert Paterson | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bato) | Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier |
| Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham) | Nicholson, William Graham | Talbot, Rt Hn J. G. (Oxf'd Univ. |
| Howard, J. (Midd., Tottenham | Norman, Henry | Thomas, Alfred (Glamorgan, E. |
| Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Nussey, Thomas Willans | Thomas, David Alt. (Merthyr) |
| Johnston, William (Belfast) | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens | Thomas, J. A (Glanv'gan, Gower |
| Jones, Wm. (Carnarvonshire) | Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay | Thomson, F. W. (York. W. R.) |
| Kearley, Hudson E. | Palmer, Walter (Salisbury) | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H. | Parkes, Ebenezer | Tollemache, Henry James |
| Kenyon, James (Lancs., Bury) | Partington, Oswald | Tomkinson, James |
| Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop. | Pease, Herb. Pike (Darlington) | Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray |
| Keswick, William | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
| Kitson, Sir James | Pemberton, John S. G. | Valentia, Viscount |
| Knowles, Lees | Platt-Higgins, Frederick | Warr, Augustus Frederick |
| Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm. | Plummer, Walter R. | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney |
| Laurie, Lieut.-General | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp | Welby, Lt.-Col. A. C E (Taunt'n |
| Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool) | Priestley, Arthur | Welby, Sir Charles G. E (Notts.) |
| Lawson, John Grant | Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward | White, George (Norfolk) |
| Lee, Arthur H. (Hants, Fareham | Purvis, Robert | White, Luke (York. E. R.) |
| Leese, Sir J. F. (Accrington) | Pym, C. Guy | Whiteley, H (Ashton und. Lyne |
| Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Randles, John S. | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Leigh, Sir Joseph | Rankin, Sir James | Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) |
| Leigh-Bennett, Henry Currie | Ratcliff, R. F. | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth) |
| Leng, Sir John | Rattigan, Sir William Henry | Williams, Rt Hn J. Powell-(Bir. |
| Leveson-Gower. Fredk. N. S. | Rea, Russell | Willox, Sir John Archibald |
| Levy, Maurice | Reid, James (Greenock) | Wills, Sir Frederick |
| Lewis, John Herbert | Remnant, James Farquharson | Wilson, A. Stanley (York. E. R.) |
| Llewellyn, Evan Henry | Rickett, J. Compton | Wilson, Fred. W. (Norfolk, Mid. |
| Long, Rt. H n. Walter (Bristol, S | Ridley, Hn. M. W. (Stalybridge | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R.) |
| Lowe, Francis William | Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson | Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.) |
| Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) | Wilson, John (Falkirk) |
| Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) | Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) | Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.) |
| Lyttelton, Hon. Alfred | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) | Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks.) |
| Macdona, John Cumming | Robson, William Snowdon | Wolff, Gustay Wilhelm |
| MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Roe, Sir Thomas | Woodhouse, Sir J T (Huddersf'd |
| M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. | Wortley, Ht. Hon. C. B. Stuart- |
| M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.) | Round, James | Wylie, Alexander |
| M'Crae, George | Russell, T. W. | Wyndham, Ht. Hon. George |
| M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) | Rutherford, John | Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong |
| M'Laren, Charles Benjamin | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- | Younger, William |
| Majendie, James A. H. | Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander | |
| Malcolm, Ian | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) | |
| Mansfield, Horace Rendall | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) | TELLERS FOR THE AYES, Sir William Walrond and Mr. Anstruther. |
| Martin, Richard Biddulph | Seely, Maj. J. E. B (Isle of Wight | |
| Maxwell, Rt Hn Sir H. E (Wigt'n | Sharpe, William Edward T. | |
| Maxwell, W. J. H. (Dumfriessh.) | Shaw, Chas. Edw. (Stafford) | |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.) | Field, William | M'Cann, James |
| Blake, Edward | Flynn, James Christopher | M'Govern, T. |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Gilhooly, James | M'Kean, John |
| Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | Hammond, John | M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) |
| Cogan, Denis J. | Harrington, Timothy | Markham, Arthur Basil |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | Hayden, John Patrick | Minch, Matthew |
| Crean, Eugene | Jordan, Jeremiah | Mooney, John J. |
| Cremer, William Randal | Joyce, Michael | Murphy, John |
| Delany, William | Lundon, W. | Nannetti, Joseph P. |
| Dillon, John | MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A. | Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.) |
| Doogan, P. C. | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Nolan, Joseph (Lough, South) |
| Ffrench, Peter | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork) |
| O'Brien, P. T. (Tipperary, N.) | Power, Patrick Joseph | Sullivan, Donal |
| O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W. | Reddy, M. | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| O' Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) | Redmond, John E.(Waterford) | Young, Samuel |
| O'Dowd, John | Robertson, Edmund (Dundee) | Yoxall, James Henry |
| O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N. | Roche, John | |
| O'Malley, William | Schwann, Charles E. | TELLERS FOR THE NOES, CAP tain, Donelan and Mr. Patrick O'Brien. |
| O'Mara, James | Sheehan, Daniel Daniel | |
| O'Shaughnessy, P. J. | Sinclair, John (Forfarshire) |
Question put, and agreed to.
| AYES. | ||
| Acland-Hood, Capt. Sir Alex F. | Garfit, William | Molesworth, Sir Lewis |
| Agg-Gardner, James Tynte | Gibbs, Hn. A. G. H. (City of Lond. | Montagu, Hon. J. Scott (Hants) |
| Agnew, Sir Andrew Noel | Gordon, Hn. J E. (Elgin & Nairn | More, Robt. Jasper (Shropshire) |
| Anson, Sir William Reynell | Gorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John Eldon | Morgan, David. J. (Walthamstow |
| Arkwright, John Stanhope | Goschen, Hon. George Joachim | Morrison, James Archibald |
| Arnold-Forster, Hugh O. | Goulding, Edward Alfred | Morton, Arthur H. A. (Deptford) |
| Arrol, Sir William | Green, Walford D. (Wednesbury | Mount, William Arthur |
| Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John | Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs. | Murray, Rt Hn. A. Graham (Bute |
| Bain, Colonel James Robert | Gretton, John | Murray, Charles J. (Coventry) |
| Baird, John George Alexander | Gunter, Sir Robert | Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath) |
| Balcarres, Lord | Guthrie, Walter Murray | Nicholson, William Graham |
| Balfour, Rt. Hn. A. J. (Manch'r | Haldane, Richard Burdon | Nicol, Donald Ninian |
| Balfour, Rt Hn Gerald W (Leeds | Hall, Edward Marshall | O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens |
| Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch. | Hambro, Charles Eric | Orr-Ewing, Charles Lindsay |
| Banbury, Frederick George | Hamilton, Rt Hn Lord G (Midd'x | Palmer, Walter (Salisbury |
| Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Michael Hicks | Hamilton, Marq. of (L'nd'nderry | Parkes, Ebenezer |
| Bignold, Arthur | Hanbury, Rt. Hon. Robert Wm. | Pease, Herbert Pike (Darlington |
| Bigwood, James | Hardy, Laurence (Kent, Ashford | Pemberton, John S. G. |
| Blundell, Colonel Henry | Hare, Thomas Leigh | Penn, John |
| Bond, Edward | Harris, Frederick Leverton | Plummer, Walter R. |
| Bowles, Capt. H. F. (Middlesex | Haslam, Sir Alfred S. | Powell, Sir Francis Sharp |
| Brassey, Albert | Hatch, Ernest Frederick George | Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward |
| Bull, William James | Hay, Hon. Claude George | Purvis, Robert |
| Burdett-Coutts, W. | Heath, Arthur Howard (Hanley | Pym, C. Guy |
| Butcher, John George | Heath, James (Staffords, N. W. | Randles, John S. |
| Carson, Rt. Hon. Sir Edw. H. | Helder, Augustus | Rankin, Sir James |
| Cavendish, V. C. W. (Derbyshire | Henderson, Alexander | Ratcliff, R. F. |
| Cecil, Evelyn (Aston Manor) | Hermon-Hodge, Robert Trotter | Rea, Russell |
| Cecil, Lord Hugh (Greenwich) | Hickman, Sir Alfred | Reid, James (Greenock) |
| Chamberlain, Rt. Hn. J (Birm. | Hoare, Sir Samuel | Remnant, James Farquharson |
| Chamberlain, J. Austen (Worc'r | Hobhouse, Henry (Somerset, E. | Rickett, J. Compton |
| Chaplin, Rt. Hon. Henry | Hogg, Lindsay- | Ridley, Hon. M. W. (Stalybridge |
| Chapman, Edward | Hope, J. F. (Sheffield, Brightside | Ritchie, Rt. Hon. Chas. Thomson |
| Charrington, Spencer | Houldsworth, Sir Wm. Henry | Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion) |
| Churchill, Winston Spencer | Hoult, Joseph | Roberts, Samuel (Sheffield) |
| Clare, Octavius Leigh | Houston, Robert Paterson | Robertson, Herbert (Hackney) |
| Clive, Captain Percy A. | Howard, John (Kent, Faversham | Rolleston, Sir John F. L. |
| Coghill, Douglas Harry | Jebb, Sir Richard Claverhouse | Round, James |
| Cohen, Benjamin Louis | Johnston, William (Belfast) | Russell, T. W. |
| Collings, Rt. Hon. Jesse | Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H. | Rutherford, John |
| Colston, Chas. Edw. H. Athole | Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W. (Salop | Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford- |
| Compton, Lord Alwyne | Keswick, William | Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander |
| Corbett, T. L. (Down, North) | Knowles, Lees | Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.) |
| Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge | Lambton, Hon. Frederick Wm. | Seely, Charles Hilton (Lincoln) |
| Cranborne, Viscount | Laurie, Lieut-General | Seely Maj J. E. B (Isle of Wight |
| Cross, Alexander (Glasgow) | Lawson, John Grant | Sharpe, William Edward T. |
| Crossley, Sir Savile | Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage | Shaw-Stewart, M. H. (Renfrew) |
| Dalkeith, Earl of | Leigh-Bennett, Henry Carrie | Simeon, Sir Barrington |
| Dalrymple, Sir Charles | Leveson-Gower, Frederick N. S. | Skewes-Cox, Thomas |
| Davenport, William Bromley. | Llewellyn, Evan Henry | Smith, Abel H. (Hertford, East) |
| Davies, Sir Horatio D. (Chatham | Lockwood, Lt.-Col. A. R. | Smith, H C (North'mb. Tyneside |
| Dickson, Charles Scott | Loder, Gerald Walter Erskine | Smith, James Parker (Lanarks) |
| Dickson-Poynder Sir John P. | Long, Col. Charles W. (Evesham | Spear, John Ward |
| Dorington, Sir John Edward | Long, Rt. Hn. Walter (Bristol, S. | Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich) |
| Doughty, George | Lowe, Francis William | Stanley, Edward Jas. (Somerset |
| Douglass, Rt. Hon. A. Akers- | Loyd, Archie Kirkman | Stanley, Lord (Lanes.) |
| Duke, Henry Edward | Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft) | Stewart, Sir Mark J. M'Taggart |
| Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin | Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth) | Sturt, Hon. Humphry Napier |
| Dyke, Rt. Hn. Sir William Hart | Lyttelton, Hon. Alfred | Talbot, Rt. Hn. J G. (Oxf'dd Univ. |
| Faber, Edmund B. (Hants, W. | Macartney, Rt. Hn W. G. Ellison | Thomas, David Alfred (Merthyr |
| Fellowes, Hon. Ailwyn Edward | Macdona, John Cumming | Thornton, Percy M. |
| Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst | MacIver, David (Liverpool) | Tollemache, Henry James |
| Finch, George H. | Maconochie, A. W. | Tomlinson, Wm. Edw. Murray |
| Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne | M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool) | Tuke, Sir John Batty |
| Fisher, William Hayes | M'Calmont, Col. J. (Antrim, E.) | Valentia, Viscount |
| Fison, Frederick William | M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire) | Warr, Augustus Frederick |
| Fitzroy, Hon. Edward Algernon | Majendie, James A. H. | Wason, John Cathcart (Orkney) |
| Flower, Ernest | Malcolm, Ian | Welby, Lt.-Col. A. G. E (Taunton |
| Forster, Henry William | Martin, Richard Biddulph | Welby, Sir Charles G. E. (Notts) |
| Foster, Philip S. (Warwick, S. W. | Maxwell, Rt Hn Sir H. E (Wigt'n | Whiteley, H. (Ashton und. Lyne |
| Calloway, William Johnson | Maxwell, W. J. H (Dumfriesshire | Whitmore, Charles Algernon |
| Gardner, Ernest | Mitchell, William | Williams, Colonel R. (Dorset) |
| Willoughby de Eresby, Lord | Wilson, J. W. (Worcestersh. N.) | Yerburgh, Robert Armstrong |
| Willox, Sir John Archibald | Wilson-Todd, Wm. H. (Yorks) | |
| Wills, Sir Frederick | Wortley, Rt. Hon. C. B. Stuart- | |
| Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E. R. | Wylie, Alexander | TELLERS FOR THE AYES—Sir William Walnond and Mr. Anstruther. |
| Wilson, John (Falkirk) | Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George | |
| Wilson, John (Glasgow) |
| NOES. | ||
| Abraham, William (Cork, N. E.) | Holland, William Henry | O'Kelly, James (Roscommon. N. |
| Allen, Charles P. (Glouc., Stroud | Hope, John Deans (Fife, West) | O'Malley, William |
| Ashton, Thomas Gair | Jones, William (Carnarvonshire | O'Mara, James |
| Beaumont, Wentworth C B. | Jordan, Jeremiah | O'Shaughnessy, P. J. |
| Black, Alexander William | Joyce, Michael | Partington, Oswald |
| Blake, Edward | Kearley, Hudson E. | Pease, J. A. (Saffron Walden) |
| Bolton, Thomas Dolling | Kitson, Sir James | Power, Patrick Joseph |
| Brigg, John | Leese, Sir Joseph F. (Accrington | Price, Robert John |
| Burke, E. Haviland- | Leigh, Sir Joseph | Priestley, Arthur |
| Burns, John | Leng, Sir John | Reddy, M. |
| Caldwell, James | Levy, Maurice | Redmond, John E. (Waterford) |
| Campbell, John (Armagh, S.) | Lundon, W. | Roberts, John H. (Denbighs.) |
| Cawley, Frederick | MacDonnell, Dr. Mark A. | Robson, William Snowdon |
| Channing, Francis Allston | Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J. | Roche, John |
| Cogan, Denis J. | MacNeill, John Gordon Swift | Roe, Sir Thomas |
| Condon, Thomas Joseph | MacVeagh, Jeremiah | Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel) |
| Craig, Robert Hunter | M'Crae, George | Shaw, Charles Edw. (Stafford) |
| Crean, Eugene | M'Govern, T. | Shaw, Thomas (Hawick B.) |
| Cremer, William Randal | M'Kean, John | Sheehan, Daniel Daniel |
| Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen) | M'Killop, W. (Sligo, North) | Stevenson, Francis S. |
| Delany, William | M'Laren, Charles Benjamin. | Sullivan, Donal |
| Dillon, John | Mansfield, Horace Rendall | Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E. |
| Donelan, Captain A. | Markham, Arthur Basil | Thomas, Alf red (Glamorgan, E.) |
| Doogan, P. C. | Minch, Matthew | Thomas, J A (Glamorgan, Gower |
| Elibank, Master of | Mooney, John J. | Ure, Alexander |
| Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan) | Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen | White, George (Norfolk) |
| Ffrench, Peter | Moss, Samuel | White, Luke (York, E. R.) |
| Flynn, James Christopher | Murphy, John | White, Patrick (Meath, North) |
| Fuller, J. M. F. | Nannetti, Joseph P. | Whitley, J. H. (Halifax) |
| Furness, Sir Christopher | Nolan, Col. John P. (Galway, N.) | Williams, Osmond (Merioneth) |
| Gilhooly, James | Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South) | Wilson, Fred. W. (Norfolk, Mid. |
| Goddard, Daniel Ford | Norman, Henry | Wilson, Henry J. (York, W. R. |
| Griffith, Ellis J. | Nussey, Thomas Willans | Young, Samuel |
| Hammond, John | O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork) | |
| Harmsworth, R. Leicester | O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny) | |
| Harrington, Timothy | O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary,NX.) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES—Mr. Field and Mr. Broad hurst. |
| Hayden, John Patrick | O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.) | |
| Hayne, Rt. Hon. Charles Seale- | O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.) | |
| Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E. | O'Dowd, John |
§ Resolutions to be reported tomorrow.
§ Committee to sit again tomorrow.